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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
#968 of 3104 Re: Resale is almost solely demand-based [kenym]
Jun 18, 2007 (1:59 pm)
This discussion is about the next Corolla, and I am quite interested in what Toyota comes up with since I'll be buying my next car next year.
Thanks for confirming for us that, as I noted, safety features like ABS and side bags/curtains are optional on the Corolla. The issue is not cost (wrt the Civic)... the issue is, how easy/hard is it to find a car with those features? Really easy if they are standard. Also, active front head restraints are not available on the Corolla at any cost. I hope the next Corolla will have them.
Also thanks for confirming that, as I noted, the Corolla has less power than the Civic. Is 10% more power with about the same fuel economy a good thing? I think it is.
For the driving position issue or handling, I will refer to to third-party reviews on the Corolla, e.g. C/D's review from Dec. 2006 where they talked about the Corolla's "souless driving" and said "all the guys complained" about the driving position (they theorized the Corolla is a "chick car" based on the driving position). Or you could look at other reviews, e.g. CR's where they complained about the "awkward" driving position.
#969 of 3104 Re: He's trying to show points to address on the '09 Corolla [drfill]
Jun 18, 2007 (2:04 pm)
The competition just has a chance now, until the '09 gets here.
It could be a really good chance, if the next Corolla is inferior to currently-available competitors, which is what happened when the last Corolla debuted. It was considered inferior even against older designs like the Protege and Elantra. There's some great competition out there, with the Civic, the Mazda3 (and a new one due for '09), the Rabbit, the new Lancer, the Elantra, and a new Focus coming. Corolla has its work cut out for it. Tiger better have his game face on. Lose too many tourneys, and pretty soon you're no longer #1.
Jun 18, 2007 (3:07 pm)
can lose EVERY comparison test, doesn't matter. Toyota isn't building cars for critics. It has the World's largest customer base!
New Corolla should get the SEVEN airbags Camry and Avalon get, standard ABS, more front seat space, about 10-20HP, an updated structure, plus some surprise goodies.
That will keep the fans happy. And coming back for more.
#971 of 3104 Re: Corolla [drfill]
Jun 18, 2007 (3:22 pm)
I'll keep that in mind that comparison tests don't matter.
Seven airbags will put it on par with the Lancer, standard ABS with the Civic and Elantra, more front seat space with the Elantra and Sentra et. al., more power and better structure with several cars. So those are all good, but the goodies will help... depending on what they are. Nicer plood maybe?
Jun 18, 2007 (4:29 pm)
Of those cars only the Civic competes with the Corolla on mpg and reliability. The Elantra is close (and a little roomier) but the Lancer and the Sentra are gas guzzlers for this class (much closer to Accord and Camry) with unknown reliability.
If the Corolla improves, as it should, it will lead the pack.
Jun 18, 2007 (4:35 pm)
.......can lose EVERY comparison test, doesn't matter.
You conveniently left out the magic word.
And it ain't "Please". Remember that word.
Jun 18, 2007 (4:45 pm)
Corolla already leads the pack:
2007 YTD Sales:
Corolla - 165k
Civic - 137k
Cobalt - 83k
Focus - 79k
It just would be nice to have some of the latest features.
#975 of 3104 Corolla vs. new xB
Jun 18, 2007 (5:01 pm)
I had a couple of minutes to kill this morning and stopped by my Toyota/Scion/Lexus dealer to see if they had an xB in and they had three, one in the showroom!
It pushed a lot of my buttons: chair-like seating, proven engine in a nicely laid out compartment (are you listening Honda?), very reasonable fuel economy to be expected, gobs of room, small footprint, good road clearance (Michigan winters), solid build, everything fit nicely together, and it fit me too.
Mechanically this is very close to a Camry or RAV-4 (4A vs 5A), but in nearly all other regards it has more of what I want for about $4000 less. Content value is extremely high. Think of it as a micro-van. In this price range, the xB is a man amongst boys.
The Corolla had better be really, really nice if it hopes to compete. We still don't know much about the real world fuel economy, handling, etc., of xB or Corolla, but at its expected price the Corolla better be something very special indeed.
#976 of 3104 Re: Backy [drfill]
Jun 18, 2007 (5:24 pm)
There are MANY words I leave out when responding to your posts. That is because I would like to continue contributing to Town Hall.
#977 of 3104 Re: Corolla vs. new xB [mcmanus]
Jun 18, 2007 (5:40 pm)
The Corolla does not compete withe new xB. The xB does not have fuel economy as a priority with the Camry engine and 4-speed automatic transmission. You will be lucky to every get past 30 MPG in the new xB except on extended highway trips.