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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Dec 13, 2006 (9:11 am)
alpha's projected $950 increase for standard ABS and side airbags, which I consider highly likely for the next Corolla, and then add in what I think likely will be a standard power package (not standard on any version of the current car), I think we will see the base price of the next Corolla rise AT LEAST $1300-1500, and that is before you consider that most revised models rise by $500 or so anyway. I think it quite likely we will see base prices in each trim rise about $2000 for the next car, but I also think that at the same time we will see the car become much less of a "stripper" in its base form, a little closer to the Honda approach of making most common desirable amenities and safety gear standard across the board.
Now I think we could still see a CE without the power package, and whoever said above that the Corolla CE is a rental fleet-only model should come check out dealerships in my area - plenty of CEs for retail sale at every lot. I hope they make the ABS and side airbags standard for all Corollas, but given that they are contemplating putting in standard VSC for '09, I think we could see optional side airbags in all but the top-line trim, as a measure to keep price from getting too high.
I am torn - on the one hand, the current Corolla is a heck of a deal given real-world prices hovering around $15K pretty well-equipped. OTOH, I wouldn't mind seeing them turn the Corolla into a mini-Camry with better gas mileage, with the price hike that would entail, given that the Yaris is a pretty good stand-in for Toyota's new low price leader. To accomplish the mini-Camry feat, it will need better NVH isolation, a less raspy engine sound, and a much better standard equipment list. And OF COURSE, a 5-speed auto instead of the current 4-speed. (And a 6-speed manual, please please Toyota?!)
#641 of 3103 Re: if you consider [nippononly]
Dec 13, 2006 (2:07 pm)
As noted above most redo's on the models come in at the same price - initially - but with more equipment and no rebates.
When gas was going up in the summer Toyota sold out of Corolla's for a while and dropped the $500 rebate for about 4 months. Now as this model gets even older the $500 rebate is back. When the new model comes out in 14 mo's or so it will be without the rebate but more equipment ( ABS + all the airbags ). I'll guesstimate now that the pricing is very very similar on an MSRP basis
Standard Equipment: ABS, 6/7 airbags, Aux input, Cr Ctrl, Pwr W/L/M, std sound system.
$16200 CE AT - One basic standard trim
.... EJ w/BT add ~ $1000
.... VS/Trac add ~ $650
$17900 LE AT ( AW, 6 Disc w/440 wt JBL & BT + VSC/Trac )
.... NV add ~ $1200
.... LA add ~ $1100
.... SR add ~ $900
$18700 S AT - Same as the LE but with the sport package
.... same options
Deduct $800 for 5 MT.
CVT? No idea here.
#642 of 3103 Re: oh geez [nippononly]
Dec 13, 2006 (4:32 pm)
I was thinking the same thing, for a second i actually thought it was the camry, i just wish they had done something futuristic witht eh tail lamps or at least made them LED like a lot of new models(LandCruiser, Prius, Highlander hybrid, Rav4, & 4runner)
Dec 13, 2006 (10:39 pm)
There is no chance of Toyota raising the price of the Corolla more than $500 for the base model.
Also keep in mind that the wholesale price of any extras is much less than retail, and volume production will bring that down even more.
Car makers are constantly bring in highly improved and more fully featured new models and are barely raising the price.
Now Toyota may raise the price a few hunded each year during the life of the new model and wind up with a $1,000 or more increase, but it will not happen at the introduction.
They will also most likely keep VSC as an option as it is on the Camry.
#645 of 3103 Re: if you consider [kdhspyder]
Dec 14, 2006 (8:55 am)
I'll see your prices and raise you $800.
CE, $17K base, with the LE at $18,700 and the S at $19,5. I bet that's about where they come in. They will be adding a lot of standard equipment to a car that is currently way behind the market in base form.
Subtract $800 for 5MT, as you say.
All the Corollas come with A/C standard now, which I assume will continue. So with the CE at $17K, they would still come in lower than the Civic LX, which is the lowest Civic in the line to come with A/C.
And then of course there is no guarantee they will continue the CE-LE-S format. I for one don't particularly like the current set-up - it makes no sense. The LE and S are both upmarket trims, neither better than the other, and both missing key ingredients I would expect from the upmarket trims. There is no logical progression.
I would REALLY like to see them do with the next Corolla S what they did with the new Camry SE this year - actually make it a sport model, with larger rims and tires standard, and sportier suspension. I am hopeful they will do that.
Then they really should give the LE a proper complement of standard equipment - no more having to add a package to get power windows or whatever.
#646 of 3103 Re: if you consider [nippononly]
Dec 14, 2006 (9:06 am)
I'll see your prices and raise you $800.
Sounds like a Full Tilt promotion..
In all Toyota's lines the upper trim of the lower model overlaps in price with the lower trim of the upper model... whew!! If the Yaris loaded up is around $16500 then the CE needs to be in this range also.
As backy pointed out though VSC will be part of all the vehicles so it might be at $17000 but with VSC/Trac included not as an option ( a forced option ).
#647 of 3103 Re: anybody besides me [nippononly]
Dec 14, 2006 (1:29 pm)
My guess is that even the recent launched European-market Corolla sedan is still too conservatively styled to compete against the Honda Civic and Mazda3.
This tells me that Toyota is planning RADICALLY-styled Corolla sedan and five-door wagon models, something unique for the North American market (USA, Canada and possibly Mexico).
#648 of 3103 Re: - [backy]
Dec 14, 2006 (7:02 pm)
It depends on what their definition of by 2009 means.
They may mean newly redesigned models introduced from 2009 on.
They may also might mean by the end of calendar year 2009 (meaning 2010 model year cars).
#649 of 3103 Re: - [jaxs1]
Dec 14, 2006 (7:23 pm)
Either way, looks like the Corolla (and Yaris) will be getting standard VSC (and with it ABS) within 3 years.