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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Sep 14, 2006 (6:40 am)
Prius is on a collision course with a real problem - the revised EPA fuel economy test for hybrids. When its rating is reduced to 45/40, the fuel economy ceiling at Toyota will be low for all the other models to get under. I think they will switch to promoting gee-whiz new technologies in the Prius, as opposed to just pushing its fuel efficiency all the time. Which will allow models like Corolla, which is a much more basic car than Prius, to really excel in fuel economy, if they can manage it.
But if Toyota of the last 30 years is anything to judge by, increasing fuel economy will not be their top priority. The Corolla has stood pat in power for the last what, nine years? I am all for that if the fuel economy jumps way up, as it did in 1998 and 2003, but I think the next round will be like the last Camry update - more power with just a slight boost in fuel economy. Pity.
#509 of 3104 Re: - [jacksan1]
Sep 14, 2006 (7:03 am)
Oh, by the way, if between the two, Toyota would so much rather sell more Corollas than the Prius. The Corolla is a money maker, a profit-generating machine for Toyota. The Prius, on the other hand, makes pratically no money, if not generating losses (they were in the first generation), for Toyota.
This is why I too agree that the changes will be incremental rather than significant. With the Corolla's current volume at about 400,000 units annually and two very efficient plants if Toyota only makes 5-10% on the wholesale prices the bottom line is still $400 Million in profits - every year.
#510 of 3104 Re: besides [nippononly]
Sep 14, 2006 (7:23 am)
It probable that the new ratings next year will show significant differences in the window stickers.
Estimates ( new EPA's vs current )
Gen 2 Prius - 47 mpg combined vs 55 mpg combined
Gen 3 Prius - 57 mpg combined ( ???? )
Corolla - 31 mpg combined vs 35 mpg combined
Camry 4c - 25 mpg combined vs 28 mpg combined
Camry hybrid - 36 mpg combined vs 39 mpg combined
( My feeling from driving the new TCH and comparing it to the sticker is that Toyota has already implemented the new EPA criteria on this new vehicle so it will have only a small effect on the TCH. Protecting the Camry's image is key. )
One's personal driving characteristics of course may make all of this subject to conditions. On my personal daily drive in moderate weather I can get
32 mpg all day long in any 4c Camry
40 mpg all day long in any Corolla
51 mpg all day long in any Prius
My personal drive will allow me to exceed the likely EPA estimates by 10%. This will become commonplace now as many many drivers will be able to state that they exceed the new EPA sticker numbers.
Sep 14, 2006 (8:43 am)
The prius may not be making much money now, but Toyota plans for far in the future. They are setting up fuel economy as premium feature. Eventually the Prius will make plenty of money (along with other hybrids). It certainly makes money for the dealers.
To sort of stay on track my biggest hope for the new Corolla is a true stationwagon version. Unfortunately this will not happen for similar reasons. SUV's cost more and make more profit. If you want the space you need to buy an SUV. A corolla wagon might take sales away from higher profit SUV's.
I don't buy the excuse that wagons have not sold well in the past - they have never marketed them. When they sold the Corolla wagon, there was barely a picture of the wagon in the brochure, much less any mention in print or TV ads. Look at Subaru, the Legacy/Outback wagon outsells the sedan 10 to 1 because it is marketed that way.
BTW by efficiency I was not specifically refering to the engine, but to the fuel mileage, where the least expensive model of most cars gets the best mileage.
#512 of 3104 Re: - [dudleyr]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:09 am)
>>Eventually the Prius will make plenty of money (along with other hybrids). It certainly makes money for the dealers.
I agree. What Toyota is doing is to use the hybrid technology in as many models as practical in order to spread the cost of the technology investment. That way the Prius will not have to be the only model with a mission to amortize it (of course, this is already happening with other hybrid models in place). That will eventually lower the cost on the Prius and other hybrid-equipped Toyotas and yield a better bottom line.
Even then, though, the ROI of the Corolla is absolutely amazing, and it is a difficult little wagon to get off when it makes you so much money. In one way, it is precisely because a car like the Corolla is so profitable that Toyota can afford to put so much emphasis on the hybrid technology.
#513 of 3104 size??
Sep 16, 2006 (6:47 am)
Will the new Corolla be longer then the old one, or about the same? I like the Honda Fit because it's 157" vs 178" of the Corolla and the Fit has more interior space. Easier to put in my garage.
#514 of 3104 Re: size?? [bobw3]
Sep 16, 2006 (11:17 am)
The only information that I have is for the JDM Corolla, which, according to reliable sources, WILL have different dimensions from the non-JDM Corolla. So what is written below is just a reference.
Using the information that I have, the next-gen JDM Corolla will be identical in length and width as the current generation, and the height will go down, but only by 10 mm. The wheelbase will remain unchanged as well.
The non-JDM Corolla will become WIDER than the current generation, but I have no data as to by how much. Also as to the length, I have no reliable information at this time.
#515 of 3104 PLease focus on corolla coments
Sep 16, 2006 (6:10 pm)
Am I in a wrong forum or what!!!!!!!
#516 of 3104 All New Corolla (JDM) to be released October 10
Sep 29, 2006 (10:38 am)
It's official now. The all-new Corolla (JDM body) will be released in Japan on October 10. Why October 10? Because it's the 10th generation Corolla. Seriously.
The next-gen Corolla liftback, the Auris, should also be released at the same time.
#517 of 3104 Re: All New Corolla (JDM) to be released October 10 [jacksan1]
Sep 29, 2006 (1:00 pm)
So when will the next generation Corolla come out in the United States. I have heard that the Corolla will be delayed till late 07 as a 08 model