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2009 Toyota Corolla

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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom] by thegraduate
Apr 09, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 6:40 am)

a large percentage of the negativity is coming from non-owners.
 
Sure is. Those that have driven it and don't like the way this particular EPS system and suspension tuning is set up, probably wouldn't spend close to 20 grand on it. Just because the negative opinions aren't from owners don't mean they aren't valid.
 
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [thegraduate] by terceltom
Apr 09, 2009 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 09, 2009 6:52 am)

Well whose oppinion would you trust more? Someone who did put out the 20K because they like the car as well as the steering and are very happy with their purchases or those who just sit back and critcize Toyota and it's steering and DON'T EVEN OWN ONE! Those of us with first hand experience are always so much more dependable rather than those that just took it out for a ten minute test drive, or pass on what they heard from some other disgruntleld owner because they can't adjust to new technology.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom] by thegraduate
Apr 09, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 7:04 am)

I'd listen to both. The owner will obviously be biased towards his car, while the non-owner has more limited experience. In this case, I trust my own opinion (as you should trust yours) the most. Makes sense, right?
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [thegraduate] by terceltom
Apr 09, 2009 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 09, 2009 7:06 am)

Well I certainly don't see this biased on this thread. Those drivers that can't adjust to the new EPS are surely letting us know how much they think the steering or their cars suck, right? And those of us that really like it are saying so also. So where's the supposed bias? You said the magic word, a non-owner has LIMITED driving experience with this car so how can you put your faith and money in their comments or driving experience? Besides we're not talking about what we think any longer we're talking about an outsider contemplating a 2009 Corolla purchase. I drive this car daily, you drove it ten minutes, the question is who do you trust to give you a better hands on experience and opinion? I would say obviously the person that drives it more. If you owned a business and were going to hire an employee, who would you hire? All other things being equal, the person that did that particular job for ten minutes or the person who has the experience of doing that job for a year and a half? Now remember if you choose the wrong employee you loose your business, just like the new Corolla owner will not be happy with their 20K purchase and will have to sell it.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom] by thegraduate
Apr 09, 2009 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 7:30 am)

I drive this car daily, you drove it ten minutes, the question is who do you trust to give you a better hands on experience and opinion?
 
Again, I listen to both. I can tell if a car handles well on a 20 minute test drive. It doesn't take 20k miles to figure out "hey, this car has fantastic handling" or not, unless your car's handling has changed in that 20k miles. Has it?
 
If you owned a business and were going to hire an employee, who would you hire? All other things being equal, the person that did that particular job for ten minutes or the person who has the experience of doing that job for a year and a half?
 
Sorry, your analogy doesn't work for me, in this case. Handling doesn't change in 10 miles or 10k miles, unless you're really hard on the car! It's a known entity once you've been around the block (literally) a few times. Drive it at different speeds, on different surfaces for a little while. It doesn't take a year of ownership to know what the car is like, unless you're a little slow.
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Third-party opinion by backy
Apr 09, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Here's the opinion of a professional car-testing organization that has had more than "ten minutes" behind the wheel of the Corolla, and actually owned it (so remarks such as "you don't own one so your opinion doesn't count" are not applicable):
 
Handling is sound, but not particularly agile. The steering is a bit light and rather vague on center. Body lean is not excessive, but the car isn't engaging to drive. The Corolla was secure at its handling limits thanks to its optional ESC, but it posted just a modest speed in our avoidance maneuver.
 
Highs: Fuel economy, ride, quiet interior, turning circle, controls, available electronic stability control.
Lows: Steering feel, fit and finish, no dedicated clock display.
 
-- From CR, July 2008.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [thegraduate] by terceltom
Apr 09, 2009 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 09, 2009 9:07 am)

I 'm going to end this debate with you as I don't wish to contnue wasting my time debating with someone who dosen't even own the freaking kind of car he's bashing.
 
 For all of you drivers contemplating the purchase of a new 2009 or 2010 new Toyota Corolla "go for it". You will be pleasantly surprised how good this car actually is. There is no economy car on the road that can come close to it in shifting smoothness or sound control. The climate control is excellent and the safety is top notch. The stability control and traction control are very functional additions and will be standard in 2010. The steering ease in this vehicle is unmatched by any make out there. There is no that steers with the ease and comfort of the new Toyota Corolla. This car has just been rated in the top ten of all economy cars in the April issue of Consumer Reports for Best Cars Under $20,000 something the Honda Civic can't even brag about. The rear leg room is most accomodating and the flat floor in the back is unmatched by any economy car. Gas miliage is great. SO GO AHEAD, WHO DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE? A NON-OWNER OR SOMEONE WHO NOW OWNS THIS NEW 2009 COROLLA FOR A YEAR AND HAS PUT IT THROUGH THE TEST.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom] by denvecsr
Apr 09, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 10:04 am)

You want to try to end the debate, don't you terceltom. Working for Toyota you have alot to lose. Myself, I would tell anyone looking to purchase the new Corolla, to wait until Toyota irons out all the kinks. Until then, stay away! Too many problems from the steering to the automatic shifting. Try a long ride, say 600 miles straight you'll easily see that the steering is a constant problem. 2009 Corolla, 12,000 miles, Owner for 1 year. Very experienced driver for 37 years. Driven every kind of vehicle out there. From tractor-trailer to White Cloud. I know a problem when there is one.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [denvecsr] by terceltom
Apr 09, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: denvecsr (Apr 09, 2009 10:52 am)

Guess that explains why your looking for a car that drives like a Mack truck !
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [denvecsr] by terceltom
Apr 09, 2009 (12:10 pm)
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Replying to: denvecsr (Apr 09, 2009 10:52 am)

Really bothers you who I work for aye? Way off topic here, but since you keep asking,
 
Do you think I am :
 
A Local Police Evidence Collector for the Emmaus Pa. Police Dept.
 
or maybe
 
A Veterinary Nurse for Peaceable Kingdom Cat Rescue of Whitehall Pa.
 
or maybe even
 
A Senior Econometrician with Toyota Financial Services Based in Los Angeles, CA
 
Sorry, but I can't help but play'in with ya now!

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