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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [backy]
by thegraduate
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Apr 08, 2009 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 08, 2009 1:12 pm)
Driving "easy" is different from driving "numb".
VERY true. Nissan, for awhile, has always had steering that was too light for my personal tastes, but it is at least communicative. You can have overboosted steering that is communicative (like in the last older Nissan I drove) and you can have heavily weighted steering that offers little in the way of feel (Pontiac comes to mind here).
By "easy" I assume we're all referring to the physical effort it takes to move the wheel? I am. Just making sure we're on the same page.
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Help Shut Down America
by 87silver
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Apr 08, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Buy a Toyota. The USA has seen its days.
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Re: Help Shut Down America [87silver]
by thegraduate
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Apr 08, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: 87silver (Apr 08, 2009 6:22 pm)
Don't feed the troll, guys. 
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [lls57]
by mnf
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Apr 08, 2009 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: lls57 (Apr 08, 2009 2:02 pm)
Same here with 12,800 miles use one handed driving most of the time no issues with my corolla. This after coming off a 2006 Honda CRV, 2004 Subaru, 2000 Honda Accord, 1998 Honda Civic and when she will let me my wifes 2000 Lexus RX 300.
MNF
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [mnf]
by terceltom
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Apr 09, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: mnf (Apr 08, 2009 7:54 pm)
Thanks for your post. It seems like those of us that actually own a 2009 Corolla like and accept the new EPS while a large percentage of the negativity is coming from non-owners.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom]
by thegraduate
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Apr 09, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 6:40 am)
a large percentage of the negativity is coming from non-owners.
Sure is. Those that have driven it and don't like the way this particular EPS system and suspension tuning is set up, probably wouldn't spend close to 20 grand on it. Just because the negative opinions aren't from owners don't mean they aren't valid.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [thegraduate]
by terceltom
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Apr 09, 2009 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 09, 2009 6:52 am)
Well whose oppinion would you trust more? Someone who did put out the 20K because they like the car as well as the steering and are very happy with their purchases or those who just sit back and critcize Toyota and it's steering and DON'T EVEN OWN ONE! Those of us with first hand experience are always so much more dependable rather than those that just took it out for a ten minute test drive, or pass on what they heard from some other disgruntleld owner because they can't adjust to new technology.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom]
by thegraduate
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Apr 09, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 7:04 am)
I'd listen to both. The owner will obviously be biased towards his car, while the non-owner has more limited experience. In this case, I trust my own opinion (as you should trust yours) the most. Makes sense, right? 
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [thegraduate]
by terceltom
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Apr 09, 2009 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 09, 2009 7:06 am)
Well I certainly don't see this biased on this thread. Those drivers that can't adjust to the new EPS are surely letting us know how much they think the steering or their cars suck, right? And those of us that really like it are saying so also. So where's the supposed bias? You said the magic word, a non-owner has LIMITED driving experience with this car so how can you put your faith and money in their comments or driving experience? Besides we're not talking about what we think any longer we're talking about an outsider contemplating a 2009 Corolla purchase. I drive this car daily, you drove it ten minutes, the question is who do you trust to give you a better hands on experience and opinion? I would say obviously the person that drives it more. If you owned a business and were going to hire an employee, who would you hire? All other things being equal, the person that did that particular job for ten minutes or the person who has the experience of doing that job for a year and a half? Now remember if you choose the wrong employee you loose your business, just like the new Corolla owner will not be happy with their 20K purchase and will have to sell it.
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Re: This discussion continues to try to put a square peg into a round hole [terceltom]
by thegraduate
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Apr 09, 2009 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: terceltom (Apr 09, 2009 7:30 am)
I drive this car daily, you drove it ten minutes, the question is who do you trust to give you a better hands on experience and opinion?
Again, I listen to both. I can tell if a car handles well on a 20 minute test drive. It doesn't take 20k miles to figure out "hey, this car has fantastic handling" or not, unless your car's handling has changed in that 20k miles. Has it?
If you owned a business and were going to hire an employee, who would you hire? All other things being equal, the person that did that particular job for ten minutes or the person who has the experience of doing that job for a year and a half?
Sorry, your analogy doesn't work for me, in this case. Handling doesn't change in 10 miles or 10k miles, unless you're really hard on the car!  It's a known entity once you've been around the block (literally) a few times. Drive it at different speeds, on different surfaces for a little while. It doesn't take a year of ownership to know what the car is like, unless you're a little slow.
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