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#2902 of 3104 2005 to 2009 Comparo
Aug 23, 2008 (10:15 am)
We have a 2005 and now a 2009 Corolla and after living with the new '09 for a couple of months now I can tell you that the '09 is not on the same caliber as the '05. Although it's too early to judge highway gas mileage yet as the '09 only has a few thousand miles, I can tell you that the seats in the '09 are less comfortable, the headrests protrude too far forward pushing your head forward(it's only after a moderate long drive do you notice this as your neck begins to hurt). The interior is cheaper and the some of the things that are standard on our '05 LE version are not available on the '09 LE unless you pay extra for them.(for example the 6 in-dash CD player in the '05 is now just a single CD player). For those that like to DIY oil changes, the oil filter is now a paper cartridge that you need a special tool to remove the metal housing that holds the cartridge instead of on the '05 which is a traditional spin on filter. Not a real huge deal but it does take more time and is more messy when you do it yourself. We had narrowed the search down between the Corolla and the Elantra. The '05 has been flawless maintenance and repair wise and we selected the '09 Corolla over the Elantra because of this. However the Elantra had tons more options/equipment in the base model for less money and the seats were more comfortable. Buyers Remorse I guess. Also the paint is just horrible on this car as well. It's thin and scratches just by looking at it ! I've done some research and many are complaining on how bad the paint is. Apparently Toyota is using a water-based paint which is thinner than previous compounds and just the slightest rub will produce scratches. Wwe are leasing this one with the intention of buying at the end but if I was going to turn this in at the end of the lease, I'd be very scared what Toyota was going to do to me over this paint job because if I have this many surface scratches already at 3 months of ownership, I just imagine what this thing will lool like in 2 years and 9 months !!! One last thing, we had the '09 for less than two weeks when the plastic wheel well liner came unattached and dropped down on the tire. I had to "rescue" my wife who was stranded on the interstate by getting a utility knife to cut the liner out so she could continue to drive. My suggestion would be to anyone looking at that segment of cars, to look hard at the Elantra before jumping into a Corolla. In my opinion this new generation of Corollas is not in the same league as the previous generation.
#2903 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [carl41]
Aug 23, 2008 (10:25 am)
Thanks for the comparison. What's interesting is that the driving position is IMO the biggest improvement of the '09 over the prior generation. But then you said seats, not driving position.
FYI, many other cars these days use water-based paint--including I think the Elantra. The paint on the two Elantras I've owned held up pretty well, but I do notice fine scratches on my current car (bright red, non-metallic). They were much less noticeable on my older Elantra, which was a champagne metallic. A good waxing makes them nearly unnoticeable though. It might be more important with these new paints to keep a good coat of wax on the car. Also I think those clay bar treatments can remove fine scratches. I haven't used one yet as the scratches on my car aren't too bad, but that might be worth a try.
#2904 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [backy]
Aug 23, 2008 (6:49 pm)
Just my thoughts....Fine scratches usually occur when you wash the car. The method I use is 2 buckets...one for the dirty water and one for clean soapy water...then rinse with a hose.
Clay bar is marvelous at removing paint imperfections, overspray, and pollutants (but usually not scrtches). Genlly run the back of your hand over the clean car. You will probably feel bumps all over...these are pollutants attacking the finish (even my plastic headlight lenses). Clay Baring the entire car and following with a good wax will make it feel like a baby's behind....I Good Luck though. Reds and blacks are scratch prone!
#2905 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [carl41]
Aug 24, 2008 (9:14 pm)
Heck, I told you guys that long before the car came out.
#2906 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [carl41]
Aug 25, 2008 (4:34 am)
Just got my 2009 XLE week. I love it! I have to disagree with most of what you stated about the 2009. I have an 2001 LE and I love it as well, but the 2009 has so many new options, upgrades and features. Paint job has yet to be tested in only a week. Would recommend this car to anyone. Almost bought the 2008 Honda, so glad I didn't.
#2907 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [terceltom]
Aug 25, 2008 (11:43 am)
Bear in mind carl41 was referring to an '05, which was a very different car from the '01 you have. The new options for '09 are basically the availability once again of leather, and the inclusion of optional stability control and NAV. The vast majority of '09s sold will have neither NAV nor leather. Even stability control is in the minority. As for upgrades, they are hard to see beyond the obvious: inclusion of standard ABS and 6 airbags, and the optional 2.4L engine. And for that the price of a comparable car went up about $1000 (with stickers on 2.4L cars going well into the $20Ks, a first for Corolla), so the buyer is paying for those items.
What seems ironic to me is that the Civic, which seemed a bit overpriced since '06, suddenly seems less so. I have now driven the two back to back and while it is obvious the Corolla benefits from being quieter, pretty much everything else about the Civic seems better, even the weird dash displays.
I continue to lurk, though, gathering more opinions from owners. Right now there are pretty much no deals to be had on Civics, and I can afford to wait a while.
#2908 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [nippononly]
Aug 25, 2008 (1:16 pm)
Oh I wasn't comparing my 2009 XLE to my 2001 LE, I was merely disagreeing with his opinion of the uncomfortable seating and the cheaper looking interior. I can't answer for his comparison to a 2005 Corolla as I never sat in one or drove one. But my XLE has wood grain interior (very rich looking), lots of storage, good interior lighting, simple to use very informative information cluster, steering wheel audio controls and blue tooth capable phone answering right from the steering wheel, powerful JBL stereo, antenna built into the rear window, satellite radio equipped, slide a-way center console, up and down adjustable seating, telescoping steering wheel and larger interior then previous models.
#2909 of 3104 Re: 2005 to 2009 Comparo [nippononly]
Aug 25, 2008 (1:30 pm)
"What seems ironic to me is that the Civic, which seemed a bit overpriced since '06, suddenly seems less so. I have now driven the two back to back and while it is obvious the Corolla benefits from being quieter, pretty much everything else about the Civic seems better, even the weird dash displays."
I waited for the 2009 Corollas to come out before making my decision. I was hoping that Toyota would finally fix the awkward driver's seating position from the 2003-2008 models, and they did, but they also introduced some new issues. Anyway, I gave both cars a good look and I ended up going with the 2008 Civic. In the beginning I also thought the Civic's dash display seemed weird, but now that I'm used to it I like it quite a bit. However, the road noise is definitely an issue. I think that quieter tires might help.
There's a separate discussion entitled "08 Civic vs 09 Corolla" that has more details, here.
#2910 of 3104 Pleased with my 09 Corolla LE
Aug 25, 2008 (2:34 pm)
I've owned more Hondas then Toyotas...both are great cars. I traded my 99 Accord for the Corolla and have no regrets. I wanted to buy the Civic, but the issue of road noise and the Starship Enterprise looking dash, I just couldn't get myself to purchase the Civic. I'm getting older and enjoy a quiet ride. Hopefully Honda one day will resolve the issue of road noise and win me back.