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Re: That Makes No Sense [kdhspyder]
by backy
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Apr 12, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 12, 2008 12:34 pm)
There are a lot of safety-conscious buyers too but that equipment has all the excitement of a good biology text.
Since when has the Corolla been about excitement? A little less excitement, and a little more basic small car goodness would be real welcome, to me. Like the Corolla of the mid-'90s--the one that was a class leader in refinement and quality.
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- #2642 of 3074
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Re: For example... [cz75]
by kdhspyder
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Apr 12, 2008 (11:02 pm)
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 12, 2008 4:20 pm)
What you continue to miss is this. The XRS is not intended to capture the bulk of the boy-racer subsegment. Yes it's the sporty version of a very mundane people mover. It's intended to appeal to the buyers that are turned off by the boy-racer image but they still want something a little sporty.
That there is no comparison in handling is intentional. You continue to miss this point as well. Everything has its rightful place in the universe. The Si and the 3 and the other boy-racer models have their place and the XRS has it's place. Everything is in balance in the universe and everybody is happy. You will not be an XRS owner and all the XRS's will be sold.
Your opinion about the success or lack thereof regarding the Corolla is noted and will be given the appropriate consideration. In the meanwhile each vehicle has it's place and the small number of XRS's will be sold and make money as they should. That's all that can be said. In the end it's only about money. If you feel it's overpriced but someone coming down from an Explorer doesn't think so, actually thinks it's a bargain, guess what his money means more than your opinion.
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- #2643 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [backy]
by kdhspyder
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Apr 12, 2008 (11:14 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 12, 2008 5:19 pm)
Sorry the Corolla of the mid 90's was an awful, tiny, loud econobox with no safety features and nothing anywere near the capability of this last Gen9. We'll see about this Gen10. It has a difficult act to follow.
The basic 97-98 VE 1.5L, 3 speed auto was one horrible little vehicle; no AC, no CC, manual everything, AM/FM only, low to the ground and no safety features at all - none. The current basic Yaris is better.
What little excitement this mundane segment can generate will created by the boy-racer models and the new 'toys' for people rediscovering the segment. Maybe at some time this segment will approach the overall quality and depth of its European cousin.
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- #2644 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [kdhspyder]
by backy
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Apr 13, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 12, 2008 11:14 pm)
I was actually thinking of the Gen 7 Corolla, 1993-97, which offered an all-new 1.8L engine with 115 hp on the DX and LE trims (very competitive power for that time), driver's and passenger's front airbags and optional ABS (very good safety equipment for its time, when no compacts offered side/curtain airbags or standard ABS, except the Civic EX had std. ABS), very tasteful (IMO) exterior and interior styling, with quality cloth and padded plastic surfaces, a standard 5MT and optional 4AT on the DX and LE (same as what is offered for 2009 on the LE and XLE), front disc and rear drum brakes (same as today), fully independent suspension (which we don't get on the 2009 Corolla), and there was even an optional integrated child safety seat (unique for its class) and a wagon variant. By the end of 1997, the Corolla had become the #1 selling nameplate of all time. With cars like the 1993-97 Corolla, it's easy to see why.
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- #2645 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [backy]
by raychuang00
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Apr 13, 2008 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 13, 2008 9:54 am)
What's interesting was that I almost bought a 1998 Corolla LE sedan back in 1998, but Toyota dealers back then weren't willing to give a decent discount on pricing. The LE model had decent power, a reasonably smooth-shifting 4AT transmission, and comfortable seating.
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- #2646 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [raychuang00]
by backy
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Apr 14, 2008 (4:18 am)
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Replying to: raychuang00 (Apr 13, 2008 7:28 pm)
Amazing what a little competition will do, eh? 
The 1998-2002 Corolla was a nice car, smooth and quiet for its time and without the driving position problem of its successor. But it had a really tight back seat, which struck it off my list when I bought a small car in 2000. The 2009 is improved there, still not near the best in class but better. And as we know, large discounts are already available. 
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- #2647 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [backy]
by kdhspyder
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Apr 14, 2008 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 14, 2008 4:18 am)
Yep the situation in the economy is forcing every maker / dealer / salesperson to accept the fact of 'No discount / No Sale'. Essentially every vehicle in the entire lineup is a give away except maybe for the Prius which still outturns every other vehicle Toyota makes despite its being in its 5th year. That's due of course to fuel being $3.25-$4.00 in most parts of the country.
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- #2648 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [backy]
by moparbad
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Apr 14, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 13, 2008 9:54 am)
1995 with 1.8L, ABS, Sunroof (metal), 4 speed automatic w/overdrive. I purchased in January 1996 and it stayed in the family for over 125,000 trouble free miles. It was very quiet and nothing else in it's price range offered the same technology and refinement. Interior materials were much nicer than the 1999 I purchased that I was constantly frustrated with as I felt it was clearly inferior to the 1995 in driving position, interior materials and overall execution.
1993-1997 was best in class and while Corolla has never been bad since, it has not impressed vs. the competition as the 1995 did since that 1993-1997 generation.
I would love to see a wagon offered in the 2009 version. I'm not too fond of the Matrix styling and the plastic hatch floor area of the Matrix.
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- #2649 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [kdhspyder]
by echo2001
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Apr 14, 2008 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 14, 2008 5:30 am)
Just got my corolla 09 sport last week couldn't get any discount from the dealer but the car is awesome smooth and quiet gas mileage is great
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- #2650 of 3074
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Re: That Makes No Sense [echo2001]
by moparbad
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Apr 15, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: echo2001 (Apr 14, 2008 5:25 pm)
S is discounted over $2,000 in Chicago area for a typically equipped S, what are of the country are you in that dealer will not discount?
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