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3074 messages, Last post on Aug 04, 2009 at 6:36 PM
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 14, 2008 4:45 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Apr 02, 2008 4:18 pm) |
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2008 10:23 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Mar 14, 2008 4:21 pm) Honda is ready with A-VTEC when Toyota comes out with Valvematic, but odds are good Honda will offer theirs first. |
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 03, 2008 9:54 pm)
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 03, 2008 10:03 pm) Substantially BETTER than Corolla in braking are Rabbit, SX4 Sport, Toyota Corp's own Scion xD, Astra XR, and Lancer GTS, with the xD leading the pack. It also has the weight advantage in this group, which I am sure contributes to its great braking. Unfortunately, after falling to third in a previous comparo, the Civic was not included in the group. I bet it would have had crappy braking performance too. Apart from that, the Corolla got pretty good overall marks in the test, ranking third and almost tied for second with the new Impreza. And it did lead the group in fuel economy, using 14% less gas than the group average. The reviewers REALLY disliked the xD and the Focus. Edit....just looked up the Civic's braking performance on C&D's website, and it is as I thought - crappy. 191 feet, very similar to the Corolla's results in this month's comparo.
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 04, 2008 11:27 am) I thought the C/D comparison was an interesting one, though its obvious that comparable trim levels are becoming increasingly difficult for the magazines to find in the Press Fleets of the manufacturers, as evidenced by this very basic Corolla Standard entry. I think perhaps a more appropriate competitor (features-wise, I recognize there are no engine or suspension differences) would have been a Corolla S 5MT with VSC, which would have offered 16-inch wheels and tires, and I wonder how that would have impacted braking distance and adhesion measures. I don't think a Corolla S would have changed the vehicle's 3rd of 8 ranking, overall, I'm just interested on how tires affect these two items. Also, it will be interesting to see the braking distances of the Corolla LE 4A that Consumer Reports is currently testing. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2008/04/2009-toyota-coroll- - a-first-drive-4-08/overview/toyota-corolla-first-drive.htm just $.02
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Replying to: alpha01 (Apr 07, 2008 7:55 am) I, like you, took note of the fact that the Corolla was one of the cheapest cars in the test, in large part because they had gotten a stripped base model rather than higher-trim versions as they had with most of the other models in the test. The Civic I mentioned that needed 191 feet to stop from 70 was the LX, so it has the larger 205 mm tires that upper-trim Civics (excepting SI) have. While the wider tires of a Corolla S may have improved stopping distances for the current C&D comparo, its value quotient would have dropped in the rankings due to higher price with little in the way of additional substantive equipment, and of course plenty of people in the real world will have to live with the smaller tires of the lesser-trim Corollas. It is worth mentioning that if you're not buying a hybrid or a Lexus, the factory tires on brand new Toyotas these days are getting cheaper and cheaper, another cost-cutting move that is beginning to stand out. I would say that given the prices of the '09s, the only ones that are a good value are the stripped models. I do remember thinking that for $16K sticker (and therefore $14-15K real world price before too much longer, if not already), it was decently equipped given the standard safety equipment. The $20K XLEs and S's, by contrast, seem less of a bargain - very little beyond plastic tack-ons is added for the price, cruise is still optional all the way up the range, as is keyless entry in some cases, and the 1.8 auto is still a 4-speed. For a sticker of $20K, there are way better options.
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 07, 2008 8:38 am) However, you state "While the wider tires of a Corolla S may have improved stopping distances for the current C&D comparo, its value quotient would have dropped in the rankings due to higher price with little in the way of additional substantive equipment, and of course plenty of people in the real world will have to live with the smaller tires of the lesser-trim Corollas. " Your statement regarding value quotient makes some assumptions, as your definition of "substative" may differ from that of the the editors at C/D. My personal feeling is that had C/D tested a Corolla S 5MT with a middle-of -the road option package and VSC (at about $18,500), both the Features and Pricing scoring categories would have been adjusted accordingly, and therefore not resulted in a different overall ranking for the vehicle. Certainly, the Corolla, like many Toyotas and vehicles from other manufacturers, can become pricey with options, so I def. hear you on that.
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Replying to: alpha01 (Apr 07, 2008 11:35 am) So they might as well have included a MINI Cooper in the comparo, which would have given them the high fuel economy plus crisp handling, for about the same price as some other cars that were tested. Including a Corolla S in the comparo makes so much sense, I expect what happened is that Toyota could not provide one from their test fleet when C/D wanted it.
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