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2009 Toyota Corolla

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Re: That Makes No Sense [windjammer] by mackabee
Apr 02, 2008 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: windjammer (Apr 02, 2008 11:11 am)

Being a salesman has nothing to do with it Dude! I own three Camrys right now and one before that was totalled. The brakes on most Toyotas are "mushy" but they do the job better than other brands. It is not a defect or problem. You just have to get used to them like everything else.
 Mack
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Duh by sandman46
Apr 02, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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I know he's a salesman dude! He usually has good product knowledge and was looking for something positive about Toyota brakes. He knows a lot and really looking for positive info before I put my kids in a car I wouldn't drive myself. I go by pedal feel dude, and all our recent cars have had better pedal feel with better stopping power...that's all I care about when I put my loved ones in a car.
Why on earth has Edmunds gotten so nasty lately...never was this way in the old days. But I guess the internet lets jerky folks say stuff that most won't say face to face. Unbelievable!
Guess it's definitely time to look else where for a nicer exchange of ideas.
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okay guys by pat HOST
Apr 02, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Let's dispense with the personal comments. You don't have to like everything everyone posts, but there is no need to take anything or make anything personal.
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Re: That Makes No Sense [nippononly] by mcdawgg
Apr 02, 2008 (4:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2008 10:23 am)

Completely agree - it is not the feel, it is the actual stopping distance that counts.
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Re: For example... [kdhspyder] by cz75
Apr 03, 2008 (9:54 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 14, 2008 4:45 am)

No reality check required - the Corolla XRS needs to lose $2000 on price when compared to a Civic Si. They aren't even in the same league. A loaded Mazda3 is more in line with what the Corolla has to offer and it should still be cheaper despite having more content. A Corolla XLE is also notably inferior in features to a Civic EX, yet costs more money for similar content (around $500) and still comes with rear drums and a non-independent rear suspension and less power and only a four speed auto, with the only advantage being optional traction and stability control.
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Re: That Makes No Sense [mcdawgg] by cz75
Apr 03, 2008 (9:55 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Apr 02, 2008 4:18 pm)

The latest issue of Car and Driver seems to indicate stopping distance is inferior too.
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Re: That Makes No Sense [nippononly] by cz75
Apr 03, 2008 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2008 10:23 am)

Toyota usually does better with their brakes than Honda, except on the Corolla, which has for as long as I can remember had the worst, or nearly so, stopping distances in its class. One year, it was the had the worst brakes of any vehicle tested in Road & Track, worse even than most SUVs, but that had to be at least 5 years ago. You can usually blame Honda's poor braking on the tires offered.
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Re: Fuel Economy [mcdawgg] by cz75
Apr 03, 2008 (10:08 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Mar 14, 2008 4:21 pm)

And also what are the final drive ratios? You can't just look at torque.
 
Honda is ready with A-VTEC when Toyota comes out with Valvematic, but odds are good Honda will offer theirs first.
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Re: For example... [cz75] by kdhspyder
Apr 04, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 03, 2008 9:54 pm)

The XRS is NOT a competitor to the Si. Thus the price difference between the two doesn't matter one single whit. The XRS supports the Camry line..nothing else. It's not a boy-racer vehicle, the Si and Mazda3 have that small segment all to themselves.
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Re: That Makes No Sense [cz75] by nippononly
Apr 04, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 03, 2008 10:03 pm)

After reading the 8-car comparo in my latest issue of C&D, I see that you are right on the money: Corolla is almost LAST in braking, with a dismal 193 feet needed to stop from 70 mph. The only car in the whole test that is worse in braking is the new Focus.
 
Substantially BETTER than Corolla in braking are Rabbit, SX4 Sport, Toyota Corp's own Scion xD, Astra XR, and Lancer GTS, with the xD leading the pack. It also has the weight advantage in this group, which I am sure contributes to its great braking.
 
Unfortunately, after falling to third in a previous comparo, the Civic was not included in the group. I bet it would have had crappy braking performance too.
 
Apart from that, the Corolla got pretty good overall marks in the test, ranking third and almost tied for second with the new Impreza. And it did lead the group in fuel economy, using 14% less gas than the group average. The reviewers REALLY disliked the xD and the Focus.
 
Edit....just looked up the Civic's braking performance on C&D's website, and it is as I thought - crappy. 191 feet, very similar to the Corolla's results in this month's comparo.

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