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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
#2480 of 3104 Re: plastic interiors [scottimusprime]
Mar 10, 2008 (9:21 am)
I believe that you are comparing looks/feels and ignoring content/value.
There is no way you can get a Corolla with everything that's in it for what is essentially the price of a 1998 Corolla ( adjusted for inflation ) that had nothing in it. It's a good dream to wish for everything at a price of nothing but it's not realistic. As to your forecast that Toyota is doomed and about to crumble, keep dreaming. Every other vehicle maker on the market wants to do exactly what Toyota is doing except they can't do it as well.
Mar 10, 2008 (9:23 am)
$17,500 for a car with the features you mentioned is not really all that good IMO considering there are lower-priced alternatives with more standard safety features, more comfort, proven reliability, way more amenities, and more power. It's really not relevant to me to compare today's Corolla with one from 1998. (Maybe that works for you in your sales pitches to uninformed buyers, though.) To me, what's relevant is what other cars can I buy today, at what price.
#2482 of 3104 Re: For example... [kdhspyder]
Mar 10, 2008 (10:00 am)
Why would I or other buyers want to exclude Hyundai when looking at alternatives to the Corolla?
Anyway, there are others, e.g. the base Impreza is about the same price as a lightly-optioned Corolla LE but offers widely-available ESC, a much nicer interior, more interior room, more power, high quality and reliability, exceptional crash safety (IIHS Top Pick), a lot more power, and the advantage of AWD. The only advantage the Corolla has is higher fuel economy. Another example is the Rabbit, again with widely-available ESC, a much nicer interior, more interior room, more power, high quality, good reliability, exceptional crash safety, and a lot more power (with less FE than the Corolla).
It's not just Hyundai that offers good alternatives to the Corolla.
#2483 of 3104 Re: RPM Jumps Drastically When 1st Step on Gas, 09 Corolla [boyco88]
Mar 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
Right after you have your car started, even putting it in drive, what is your rpm reading? my is not at ZERO, I think is between .2 to .4
I think you are right that when the car is going between 60 - 65 steady, then the rmp is between 2.5 - 2.6. When the car going steady between 65 - 70, then the rpm is between 2.6 to 2.8 and if I step on the gas pedal a little bit then the rpm is around 2.9 and 3.0
Is your car also built in Japan?
#2484 of 3104 Re: For example... [backy]
Mar 10, 2008 (12:48 pm)
Why exclude Hyundai? Because as you and I both know they have by far the lowest pricing and the most features across the board - artifiicially perhaps ( but that's a subject for another forum ).
Examples, all Base Models ( as per Edmunds with roughly equal equipment )
2009 Corolla 4AT..$17100
2008 Civic 5AT.....$16500
2008 Maz3 4AT....$16700
2008 Sentra CVT..$16800
2008 Focus 4AT...$16100
2008 Cobalt 4AT...$16600
2008 Elantra 4AT...$15330 a view of events to come???
Essentially one can throw a blanket over the pricing of the base models. Beyond that it's regional preferences and individual negotiations.
But only the Corolla and Civic lead the others in fuel economy. All the others are 8-10% lower than the leading two.
#2485 of 3104 Re: For example... [kdhspyder]
Mar 10, 2008 (1:22 pm)
I don't recall seeing fuel economy in your list of the most important buying criteria earlier. I think it's important, but I will take an 8-10% hit (which is not that large for some of the cars you listed besides the Civic) for other benefits.
So tell me, when you are talking with a customer and ask them what else they are looking at, and they mention Hyundai, do you tell them, "That's not fair, because they are by far the lowest priced with the most features across the board!" I kinda doubt it.
Consider though what you get for those base prices. With the Civic and Mazda3 (and some others you didn't mention like Spectra, Rabbit, Impreza) you get a nicer place to spend time driving. With several of these you get superior handling. With most of them you get more power and/or more cogs in the transmission.
One thing though--the Focus' interior is even worse than the Corolla's. And the Cobalt's isn't any better than the Corolla's, and with an even tighter rear seat. So the Corolla does have advantages over some of its competition in the interior department.
#2486 of 3104 Re: For example... [backy]
Mar 10, 2008 (2:02 pm)
Well since the Hyundai / Mazda store is within a half mile I just ride them over there and let them make their own judgement on the spot vs the Elantra & Mazda 3. It all depends on the buyer and what's most important to each of them. For some like teachers on a very limited budget the Elantra is by far the best choice. For 4 time Corolla owners, which are numerous, the suggestion is not taken well.
A younger buyer may appreciate the Mazda 3 a lot more than the Corolla, but then the parents who are doing the buying ( and have owned one or two in the past ) may step in to make a Corolla decision. Many parents don't want their first-time-driving children even considering that the new vehicle is 'sporty' or 'fast'. Dull and reliable is good.
#2487 of 3104 Re: plastic interiors [jaxs1]
Mar 10, 2008 (2:04 pm)
Unless your noggin comes in contact with it during a crash.
#2488 of 3104 Re: For example... [backy]
Mar 10, 2008 (3:03 pm)
"With the Civic and Mazda3 (and some others you didn't mention like Spectra, Rabbit, Impreza) you get a nicer place to spend time driving."
id agree on the rabbit and impreza (cant comment on the spectra)
comparing a base corolla (or le-same interior look as base)and base civic (dx):
i would not want to spend any time in the civic dx. there was no radio, and there is no a/c on the dx.
the civic does have less cheap looking plastic. however, the whole dash area was hideous to my eyes. the plastic is so expansive from driver to the base of the winshield. i felt like i had a plastic picnic table in front of me. the digital speedo gauge was gimicky and i doubt it will reoccur in the next civic. additionally, they didnt even bother putting any fabric on the doors. just pure plastic. the whole experience made me feel like i was in a tupperware coffin.
i found the elantra dashboard to look too much like a 2007 aveo and not far off the ford focus. it looks old and outdated. its really hard to try to integrate the head unit to make it really look like an integral, flush part of the dash. and the elantra and aveo pulled off more of a fisher price toy kind of vibe. the focus pulls off this feat a little better. lest you think im being hard on the elantra, the comparison to the aveo was pointed out in not only a civic forum, but was made in a vw and mazda forum during my searches for info on various cars. for me, the corolla offers a simple, nice looking layout. i do agree that the plastic used in the civic looks better, though.
#2489 of 3104 Re: For example... [roxy11]
Mar 10, 2008 (4:44 pm)
I sat in all the cars you discussed this past Saturday. Personally I see zero resemblence between the Elantra's dash and the new Focus' dash. The Focus' dash (and this was on a car that was nearly $21k MSRP) was by far the cheapest looking and feeling dash (also door panels) I've experienced in a long time in this class. I see a little resemblence in the contours of the lower center binnacle on the Aveo and Elantra, but that's it. Otherwise I see huge differences between the two. But people see what they see, and sometimes what they expect to see. I happen to like the Elantra's dash very much. You like the Corolla's better. It shows Toyota is hitting the buttons of some prospective buyers. But try this before you buy: try working the controls of the car. Do you get plasticky thunking sounds, or smooth, damped snicks? Do you grip rubberized, soft-touch knobs, or hard plastic ones? Does the plastic look rich and feel rich to the touch, or does it look kind of shiny and is it rock hard?
btw, I think the Civic LX and above has cloth on the doors. In fact, it was the Corolla's doors that reminded me of tupperware (thanks for the comparison, I was trying to put my finger on it). As for the digital speedo in the Civic, it seemed odd to be the first time I drove it, but after renting one for a few days it became second nature. I think the styling of the Civic's interior is more out-there than cars like the Corolla, but at least it's made of quality materials and is interesting.