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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Dec 31, 2005 (11:42 am)
My point was that it is no special feat to make a smaller lighter car with a smaller engine and not improve fuel economy. Honda and Toyota could both make conventional engined cars with much better mileage if one extrapolates from the Civic and Corolla.
I also did mention the Civic HX 36/44. Geo Metro got 39/43 (4-cyl) or 44/49 (3-cyl).
The Echo itself got 35/43 back in 2004. Seems silly to be going backwards, just as fuel prices are going up.
Part of the reason there are fewer high mpg conventional cars is that hybrids generate much more profit, so there is no incentive to increase mileage. This is the main reason I believe that some small cars are not really pushing efficiency. They don't want to steal the thunder form the hybrids.
#207 of 3104 speed limited to 135 mph
Jan 03, 2006 (2:05 am)
the XRS is limited to about 135 mph. Even so we have debated on 9thgen and 150 mpg is not achievable and the guy at the plant that told you that is blowing smoke. Watch what you believe and drive safe.
#208 of 3104 Re: New pictures. [alpha01]
Jan 03, 2006 (4:18 am)
If anything, an engine with 160 horses might be optional,
I'm in agreement that the 1.8L will like remain the same with a similar power output and FE. This generation will be more Lexus like as is the Avalon and the Camry.
But in light of the company's stated strategy I think a hybrid option is certainly a possiblity for both FE and added power advantages. The 1.8L HSD with about 175 hp and FE in the mid-high 40's combined differentiates the Corolla from the rest of the market. Now the two main pillars of Toyota's product line have hybrid options and the Prius is allowd to a) retain it's technophile client base or; b) retire gracefully as the CamRolla takes over the hybrid banner.
#209 of 3104 Re: - [dudleyr]
Jan 03, 2006 (5:43 am)
Part of the reason there are fewer high mpg conventional cars is that hybrids generate much more profit, so there is no incentive to increase mileage.
Are you sure about that ? Many autocritics were questioning how much money Toyota is actually making on the Prius. Many thought that the PRIUS was being sold at a loss. Not sure about that though. Anyway I am surprised that 40 mpg is not good enough for you from cars like the Corolla and Civic. I personally think they give excellent mpg. You have to remember that the current Corolla is almost as large as the early 90s Camry.
#210 of 3104 Re: - [dudleyr]
Jan 07, 2006 (8:23 pm)
Well real world on the Yaris will be around 39 mpg for the automatic. Basically a restyled Echo, same platform... most consumer groups rate at 38mpg with an automatic.
Honda's Civic Hybrid got 36 real world mileage.
The new civic is bigger but has a useless rear seat with tight roof and legroom. it has a useless raked wind shield that just take up space. The Dash/IP is so long that it
has to separate the digital (high cost cutting feature) speedometer, and the RPM gauge to mask its length. If you are a driver you'll hate swithching your eyes back and forth with each shift. Toyota 1.8 and 1.5 were designed to accept direct injection fuel injectors that will increase power,and put gas mileage in the 40's(only 1 year away).
The civic's new motor is still SOHC, no exhaust manifold, it is built into the aluminum head... just one pipe come out from it(more costcutting).The new Civic would make a great Saturn, but Honda's a great engineering company, but cut too much from the new car. Most consumers groups are getting around 28mpg in the new model. The new hybrid(38mpg) isn't even in the league with the prior generation Prius. Honda profits are strong...they should of made the new Civic better.
The Honda Accord is excellent...I expect no less from the Civic. Honda should have two awesome sedans, not just one.
Jan 08, 2006 (11:10 am)
this car is looking like a bigger version of the yaris
I hope thats not it
#214 of 3104 Re: Still cannot get a vehicle [tom71]
Jan 08, 2006 (6:47 pm)
From the XRS you get 4drs which some car manufacturers consider unnecessary as in SI/Cobalt SS. You get good mileage if you care or power surges if you don't.
Like many folks I am alone in my car most of the day and the 164hp will keep you ahead of traffic - no problems. Just don't sample 300cs or the like.
Hatchbacks are cool - read planned euro corolla; the Matrix simply sits too too tall. Where is the AWD corolla?
Toyotas marriage to Subaru should yield something cool in the next 18months. Unfortunately it will be some other car - Toyota also has plans for the Supra (2drs)
At the end of the day we'll take what Manufacturers offer and not exactly what we desire; still Toyota makes excellent vehicles which is why I hope they see the wisdom of high output AWD compacts.
#215 of 3104 Re: Still cannot get a vehicle [synpthesis]
Jan 09, 2006 (6:06 am)
"Where is the AWD corolla?" - In Japan. Almost every Toyota vehicle is available in AWD format in Japan. Toyota's 51% stake in Subaru was conceived primarally to allow them to use Subaru's manufacturing facilities in the US. One under-used Subaru plant (I forget the state) will manufacturing Toyota vehicles this year (in order to keep up with the high demand). It's cheaper than building a new plant.