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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [mcdawgg] by jaxs1
Nov 02, 2007 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 02, 2007 8:03 am)

VSC is going to be available, but it isn't a "new" feature for the Corolla.
There will be no SKS or automatic climate control for US 2009 models.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by mackabee
Nov 02, 2007 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 01, 2007 10:42 pm)

Looking at Honda's website I see they list the horsepower for the 1.8L at 140 but no mention of torque is made. Torque is what gets you going, and horsepower keeps you there. OTOH Toyota lists 132hp and 128lb ft of torque at 4400rpm for the 1.8L AND Honda lists 197 hp for the 2.0L in the Si with 139lb ft of torque at 6100rpm. With this in mind let's put both the 1.8L in a street race and see what happens. The XRS has 162lbs ft of torque so I'm pretty sure it will blow the doors of the civic in the quarter mile. Torque, baby, torque....
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Re: No horse [mackabee] by jet10000
Nov 02, 2007 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: mackabee (Nov 02, 2007 8:34 am)

You can see the torque for the civic here. It is the same 128lb ft.
 
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/specifications.aspx
 
That means, the only difference between the 1.8L is the weaker Corolla engine.
 
As for the XRS, yeah perhaps in the quarter mile, it might get a little jump, but after that, the Si with a 197hp engine is going to blow away the 158hp engine in the XRS. I think 158 is a joke for an upgraded engine. That's only 18hp more than a standard Civic and it's estimated to get far worse gas mileage.
 
Again, Toyota had the time to build a car that would have better specs than a car Honda released two years ago and it chose to just put very weak engines in them.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by jaxs1
Nov 02, 2007 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm)

The 158 HP engine is due to be replaced soon. Maybe in less than 2 years.
It is not competitive with similar sized engines from Honda and Nissan.
It wouldn't be bad to have less power if it had a fuel economy advantage, but it doesn't.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by kdhspyder
Nov 02, 2007 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm)

Again, Toyota had the time to build a car that would have better specs than a car Honda released two years ago and it chose to just put very weak engines in them.
 
Yep you are right and since they had that time I guess you can conclude the they did that intentionally. Now the isssue is to figure out 'Why' they did that intentionally.
 
These things aren't done at random or by mistake...'Oops Hey did anyone update the engine?'
 
If you haven;'t driven the new 1.8L it's much much nicer than the outgoing 1.8L. The 2.4l will just be a big ol motor in a small vehicle. My guess is that they will sell three of them. The other 449.997 sales will be the 1.8L. Ok a slight exageration.
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Here's an interesting comparo... by kdhspyder
Nov 02, 2007 (4:41 pm)
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Name the other vehicle.
... Vehicle 'A" vs 09 Corolla
Curb wgt ~ 3150 vs ????
OAL ... 188.7 vs 178.7
OAH .... 55.4 vs 57.7
OAW .... 70.1 vs 69.3
Whl Base ... 105.2 vs 102.4
Engine .... 2.2L vs 1.8L
HP-SAE .... ~125 vs 128
FE (New) ... 21/31 vs 27/35
 
MSRP range $19000 to $26000 vs $17000 to $24000
Standard safety features:
ABS vs ABS
2 airbags vs 6 airbags
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Re: No horse [kdhspyder] by nippononly
Nov 02, 2007 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 02, 2007 4:07 pm)

"Now the isssue is to figure out 'Why' they did that intentionally."
 
Maybe it's a case of once burned, twice shy. Or in the case of Toyota lately, thrice burned, four, five times burned? They are taking baby steps with new models for a while, after the Camry burps and the Tundra problems. They delayed the new HL a little bit, and it seems that new model has gotten off to a solid start, so hopefully they are on the right track with the baby steps thing.
 
But who would have thought in 1997 that 10 years later Toyota would have to be taking baby steps to deliver new products without glitches.
 
I bet they will sell a few more than just 3 of the 2.4L Corollas. As long as the least expensive 2.4L models stay under $20K sticker, which I expect they will manage to do.
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Re: No horse [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Nov 03, 2007 (4:24 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 02, 2007 7:24 pm)

As long as the least expensive 2.4L models stay under $20K sticker, which I expect they will manage to do.
 
Yes I assume that they probably will start the 2.4L Corolla's under $20K also. So that brings up this comparo..
 
Name the other vehicle.
... Vehicle 'A" vs 09 Corolla
Curb wgt ~ 3150 vs ????
OAL ... 188.7 vs 178.7
OAH .... 55.4 vs 57.7
OAW .... 70.1 vs 69.3
Whl Base ... 105.2 vs 102.4
Engine .... 2.2L vs 2.4L
HP-SAE .... ~125 vs 158
FE (New) ... 21/31 vs 22/30
  
MSRP range $19000 to $26000 vs $19000 to $24000
Standard safety features:
ABS vs ABS
..... vs VSC/TRAC
2 airbags vs 6 airbags
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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [jaxs1] by kdhspyder
Nov 03, 2007 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Nov 02, 2007 8:07 am)

There will be no SKS or automatic climate control for US 2009 models.
 
OTOH...
 
A good find from another site. Here is the 2009 Corolla presented on the Canadian website, these pics are not on the US website.
 
Note the 6th pic from the left 2009 Corolla
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by colloquor
Nov 03, 2007 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm)

You should be glad you're not buying "an economy car" 30 to 40 years ago. What was the typical engine size and HP ratings for those cars . . . around 1.2L and 60HP. You should consider yourself blessed at 158HP. It's rather amazing that we actually got around just fine, thank you, with those cars at that time, and could easily pick up speeding tickets on the freeways too.
 
If you want a pocket rocket, I think you're looking at the wrong car!

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