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2009 Toyota Corolla

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Re: No horse [jet10000] by backy
Nov 02, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 01, 2007 10:42 pm)

How much power do you need in a small economy car? The main value proposition for the Corolla is ECONOMY, not 0-60 times. Besides, the Corolla may weigh less than the Civic, so the power-to-weight ratio may not be all that much different. And as noted, the Corolla is available with a 158 hp engine if you feel the need for speed.
 
I am more disappointed in the lack of a 5-speed automatic with the base engine than I am with 132 hp. The 5AT might help it get even better fuel economy.
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Re: 2009 toyota corolla [jaxs1] by backy
Nov 02, 2007 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Nov 02, 2007 7:19 am)

I thought it was curious that the photo of the rear seat doesn't appear to have a center armrest. From the wood trim on the door, it looks to be the XLE, which certainly should have a center armrest.
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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [imkramer] by kdhspyder
Nov 02, 2007 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: imkramer (Nov 01, 2007 10:25 pm)

There is no word on either of these items so it might be a 'debut surprise' on the top of the line XLE trim. Wild hint/rumor ... a 2.4L XLE loaded will have a $24K+ price tag!! At that level it better have SKS and Auto Climate, Navi, JBL/BT and leather and sunroof.
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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [kdhspyder] by jaxs1
Nov 02, 2007 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 02, 2007 7:45 am)

Since they are pinching pennies with the 4-speed automatic even on the XLE, you can just forget about those options. There is no reason for them to keep the availability a secret when they have announced all the other options.
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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [jaxs1] by mcdawgg
Nov 02, 2007 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Nov 02, 2007 7:57 am)

I thought I saw somewhere that these were going to be available. In fact, I remember seeing a picture of the instrument panel with a VSC light.
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Re: 2009 Missing Features/Options [mcdawgg] by jaxs1
Nov 02, 2007 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 02, 2007 8:03 am)

VSC is going to be available, but it isn't a "new" feature for the Corolla.
There will be no SKS or automatic climate control for US 2009 models.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by mackabee
Nov 02, 2007 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 01, 2007 10:42 pm)

Looking at Honda's website I see they list the horsepower for the 1.8L at 140 but no mention of torque is made. Torque is what gets you going, and horsepower keeps you there. OTOH Toyota lists 132hp and 128lb ft of torque at 4400rpm for the 1.8L AND Honda lists 197 hp for the 2.0L in the Si with 139lb ft of torque at 6100rpm. With this in mind let's put both the 1.8L in a street race and see what happens. The XRS has 162lbs ft of torque so I'm pretty sure it will blow the doors of the civic in the quarter mile. Torque, baby, torque....
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Re: No horse [mackabee] by jet10000
Nov 02, 2007 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: mackabee (Nov 02, 2007 8:34 am)

You can see the torque for the civic here. It is the same 128lb ft.
 
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/specifications.aspx
 
That means, the only difference between the 1.8L is the weaker Corolla engine.
 
As for the XRS, yeah perhaps in the quarter mile, it might get a little jump, but after that, the Si with a 197hp engine is going to blow away the 158hp engine in the XRS. I think 158 is a joke for an upgraded engine. That's only 18hp more than a standard Civic and it's estimated to get far worse gas mileage.
 
Again, Toyota had the time to build a car that would have better specs than a car Honda released two years ago and it chose to just put very weak engines in them.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by jaxs1
Nov 02, 2007 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm)

The 158 HP engine is due to be replaced soon. Maybe in less than 2 years.
It is not competitive with similar sized engines from Honda and Nissan.
It wouldn't be bad to have less power if it had a fuel economy advantage, but it doesn't.
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Re: No horse [jet10000] by kdhspyder
Nov 02, 2007 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm)

Again, Toyota had the time to build a car that would have better specs than a car Honda released two years ago and it chose to just put very weak engines in them.
 
Yep you are right and since they had that time I guess you can conclude the they did that intentionally. Now the isssue is to figure out 'Why' they did that intentionally.
 
These things aren't done at random or by mistake...'Oops Hey did anyone update the engine?'
 
If you haven;'t driven the new 1.8L it's much much nicer than the outgoing 1.8L. The 2.4l will just be a big ol motor in a small vehicle. My guess is that they will sell three of them. The other 449.997 sales will be the 1.8L. Ok a slight exageration.

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