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#1654 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [tboudrot]
Nov 01, 2007 (9:44 am)
The new Corolla is just as boring and bland as the old Corolla. I heard Toyota delayed this model because it would not compare well with the Civic
How many times can this goofy internet urban legend get repeated. It was never delayed because of the Civic. This design was finished over 2-1/2 yrs ago and debuted in Europe and Australia on time. It was delayed in NA because of..............THE TUNDRA.
Nothing changed since it was finished back in 2005.
It will continue to kick the Civic's butt because it appeals to the middle of the market where most of the buyers are located. Will it make the purist purr and go soft, no not at all. All it will do is sell, sell, sell and make gobs of money.
Hello? this is a business and the point of this business is to make the most money at the end of the year. The new Gen probably ranks 3rd or 4th in the enthusiast world. However it just kills all the rest in Wall Street's world.
#1655 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [kdhspyder]
Nov 01, 2007 (9:48 am)
The mileage estimates are lower than before. The XRS has less horsepower than the previous upgraded XRS engine and much less than the Civic Si it competes with. The XRS engine is a Camry engine that's due for replacement very soon. Not that sporty.
The 2.4 liter mileage estimates are about the same as the 3.5 liter V6 estimates on the 2008 268HP Accord.
The lower mileage of the base engine has nothing to with the new EPA rating standards because the new standards started with the 2008s and this is a 2009.
There is no reason to not be disappointed when fuel economy on a compact sedan gets worse with a newer generation. The old 4-speed automatic may be partly responsible, but the manual does little better.
#1656 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [jaxs1]
Nov 01, 2007 (10:09 am)
It's not clear from the press release, but for the 1.8L engine in 2008 the current values are 4AT 26C / 35H. For 2009 the 'preliminary' values appear to be 27C / 35H.
You are right about the 2.4L in the XRS. It's ho-hum. Why? I'd only be speculating that the money this time around is being put into the interiors, Leather, Navi, BT. The 2.4L is a very basic engine due for a redo soon that probably costs almost nothing to manufacture ( relatively ).
This is a basic economy model where buyers mostly want nothing in it at the lowest rock bottom price. The volume, and profits, are in vanilla. The sexy specs don't make much money.
#1657 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [kdhspyder]
Nov 01, 2007 (10:30 am)
There may be some confusion about the mileage reports I'm seeing. It looks like the Matrix and Corolla might not get the same mileage. They Corolla estimates are not differentiating manual vs automatic mileage. Maybe they get the same mileage, but they are being very unclear. The Matrix reviews show different mileage for automatic vs manual.
If the Corolla 4-speed automatic 1.8 actually gets EPA estimates of 27/35, then it would be doing roughly the same as Civic automatic that gets 25/36 under 2008 standards.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/31/autos/bc.mi.toyota.corolla.ap/index.htm?postvers- - - - - ion=2007103115
The smaller engine gets city/highway mileage of 25/35 miles per gallon while the larger one gets 22/30 mpg, Toyota said.
#1659 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [kdhspyder]
Nov 01, 2007 (11:43 am)
They avoid saying what transmission goes with that mileage. They may be just touting whichever gets highest mpg.
The manual had better mileage than the automatic on the last generation, but most buyers want automatic.
If that's mileage for automatic, then it's good.
#1660 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [jaxs1]
Nov 01, 2007 (12:06 pm)
Yep noticed that too. They mention the manual amost as an aside.
#1661 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [kdhspyder]
Nov 01, 2007 (1:19 pm)
Does anyone know if you can get the corolla with power seats?
#1662 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [cubssoxs]
Nov 01, 2007 (5:18 pm)
Power seats won't be available.
#1663 of 3104 Re: Edmunds Article [kdhspyder]
Nov 01, 2007 (5:35 pm)
Like the new Highlander, another disaster redesign. The only way they can sell this is to continue offering rebates.