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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
#1199 of 3104 Civic vs. Corolla
Jul 21, 2007 (3:05 pm)
Yes DrFill, the Honda car model is sporty, reliable, and economical vs the Corolla that is just reliable and economical. Ironically its Toyota that is supplying 1.8L turbo engines to Lotus that put out over 200 hp! Why not pass some of that down to the masses?
I could care less what the sales of each are, quality of available dealerships is vastly more important. Very weak dealer networks is what keeps me away from Mazda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, and all the domestics.
I agree the torque is the key (and that Corolla's engine gets rough/noisy at high rpms). Just look at Rabbit TDI hp, torque, and 0-60 times. My oldest stepson just graduated from college and gave his 2001 5M, 120K mile Plymouth Neon to his 16 year old brother. I drove it about 130 miles today. Boy does that put all this Civic vs. Corolla back in perspective! The Neon is very crudely designed and built, with no low end torque from a 2.0L engine.
I don't believe that Americans are totally insensitive to handling, good or bad. Its just not as high a priority here as in Europe or the Far East.
#1200 of 3104 I don't know if they were changed recently
Jul 21, 2007 (4:54 pm)
But most of the Lotus Elise run on a lightly modified Toyota 1.8L with Dual VVTi-L, tuned to 190HP. This engine was previously fetured, in lesser tune, in the Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, and Celica GT-S.
So we've had our chances with a sports engine from Toyota, and the masses rejected them. It's a great engine, if you are gonna run 5000 RPM all day, and it lead to class leading economy and acceleration numbers in MT 2005 small car comparison.
Jul 23, 2007 (3:55 pm)
I think the new Corolla will look like the new Scion Xd
#1202 of 3104 Re: Xd [clecayenne]
Jul 23, 2007 (4:09 pm)
LOL! Good joke!
Um... you are joking, right?
#1203 of 3104 Re: Xd [backy]
Jul 23, 2007 (9:39 pm)
I have a feeling that the 2009 Toyota Corolla will look like a mini Camry. I also believe that the interior will look much similar to the 10th gen corolla that is in Japan right now. But who know it is just specultation.
#1204 of 3104 Re: Xd [backy]
Jul 24, 2007 (5:39 am)
Yup, it must be in jest (I hope!).
Remember the three certainties in life: Death, tax, and a boring design for the Corolla!
#1205 of 3104 Re: Honda could sell [drfill]
Jul 24, 2007 (6:14 am)
good question...i personally thought that it was going to be a sort of oddball car, like the prius, instead of a sporty one.
i dunno about a new crx. its has to be legendary, because if it isn't people will eat honda up alive. you know how ridiculous people can get when expectations are not met.
#1206 of 3104 Well, it has all the ingredients.
Jul 24, 2007 (6:23 am)
Small, lightweight design.
Plenty of hatchback space to store batteries.
CRX Brand equity. It even had a history of super-efficient engines, with the HF.
Honda should still offer it with the Civic's engine, doh. It's a car that really shouldn't have left the lineup. The Fit has taken it's place. I'd rather have the CRX.
#1207 of 3104 Re: Well, it has all the ingredients. [drfill]
Jul 24, 2007 (7:06 am)
yeah, the specs on the fit are actually pretty darn close to the old dx and cx hatchbacks in a lot of ways, even power to weight ratios.
i dunno, i didn't realize their hybrid was going to be a hatch?!
i guess i just can't imagine the return of the crx in a hybrid guise...if they wanted fuel efficiency, they should re-release a crx hf like you mentioned...but also offer a regular version along with it.
Jul 25, 2007 (4:44 pm)
if you analize the toyota design strategy you will find a pattern that follows this way.
Lexus box modelo 2000 to 2005 tranfer the design to corolla 2003, then corolla 2003 tranfer the design to yaris o echo 2006.
Now is the same.... Lexus and Camry tranfer the box to corolla 2008, and then in 2011 corolla tranfer the box to Echo.
This design have some logic if you think about that Toyota is more conservative than Honda or Mazda designs.
Tell me your point of view