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#1143 of 3103 Dynamically, neither car is an All-Star
Jul 17, 2007 (7:45 pm)
Buyers have been very kind to the Ford, even after it's atrocious 2000 year.
Having sold a Focus or two, I know it is positioned as some sort of Sports sedan. It is well behind cars like the Mazda3 in that regard. And it won't get better in the 2008 facelift.
Toyota wants the Corolla to be well-built, likeable, and efficient. That's it.
The people approve.
Look at it this way. This Corolla is going out with a bang!
#1144 of 3103 Re: Breaking News! [drfill]
Jul 17, 2007 (7:54 pm)
I believe Toyota should come out with a two door coupe which could compete against the two door civic.
But who knows really what toyota is going to do.
#1145 of 3103 Re: Actually [backy]
Jul 17, 2007 (8:04 pm)
Semantics. Heavier to me does not equal bigger, as weight has nothing to do with volume. You fail to point out that the '06 Camry was half an inch taller than the '07. For all intents and purposes, the car is almost exactly the same volume, and cannot be classified in the same grouping of other Toyota redesigns - such as RAV and Highlander, for example.
I agree the next Corolla will likely be heavier, but given the current size of the Camry in relation to the Avalon, I doubt it will grow - in terms of exterior volume -very much if at all.
As noted, time will tell, SEMA will be here before we know it! The h/b took me by surprise, and I'm hoping this is a separate offering from the Blade nee Matrix.
Toyota managed to make the new Camry 4 cylinder quicker and of the same efficiency as the outgoing model, and V6 MUCH quicker and MORE fuel efficient than the outgoing model, and I hope the Corolla follows suit. (This despite the increased weight).
(Source, Consumer Reports for both acceleration and OVERALL MPG Gen 5 vs. Gen 6).
#1146 of 3103 Re: Actually [alpha01]
Jul 17, 2007 (8:52 pm)
OK. Next time I see a 250 pound guy next to a 160 pound guy of the same height, I'll try to think to myself, "Oh, look, that guy has a greater volume than the other guy!" In the past, I might have thought, "Oh, look, that guy is bigger than the other guy!"
Actually, the 2007 Camry has LESS interior volume than the 2006 Camry! I sure hope THAT is a formula that Toyota does not repeat with the 2009 Corolla: wider, porkier, but less interior room. Hopefully they will instead follow the formula Hyundai used on the 2007 Elantra: about the same length and weight, and the same power, but better fuel economy, lower emissions, a bigger interior, and more standard safety features.
#1147 of 3103 Oh, come on, backy
Jul 17, 2007 (9:08 pm)
We all know that a 250 lb guy next to a 160 lb guy wouldn't be just 1 inch wider! Seriously though, volume is length, width, and height, and overall interior volume for the '07 Camry isn't down noticeably; overall, I believe 2 or so cubic feet. (And I'm sure the width increase is something of a factor in the Camry's exemplary crash ratings.)
The formula Hyundai used on the Elantra, eh? Well, ok, I'm pretty sure the Corolla is already ULEV-II, which is pretty decent, but yes, PZEV would be fantastic. And indeed, more standard safety features, but as long as they translate into something (and we can hope the Elantra's do, as compared to the Accent's scores, for example). I just hope that the Corolla doesn't follow the Elantra's sales formula - a 6% decrease YTD through June, despite being a brand new model, in a segment that is growing due to increased fuel costs. (The Sentra has been a very sad story as well.)
Jul 17, 2007 (10:02 pm)
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Toyota needs lessons from Hyundai like BMW needs Lincoln's help making a suspension.
Regarding the Corolla 2-door, it's too racy for a Corolla. It sounds like a good idea, but so did the Solara.
#1149 of 3103 Re: Breaking News! [cubssoxs]
Jul 18, 2007 (5:21 am)
A couple weeks ago at a local restaurant a car caught my eye while I was parking.
It was a four door hatch, a virtual clone of the Kia C'eed, forthcoming Hyundai i30, 08 Subaru Imprezza, etc. The car was a Toyota Corolla Prima I believe, with temp tags and a German license plate frame. Turned out it was being driven by someone from the German embassy. I did not have the opportunity to talk to them about it.
Whether or not that car reflects our next Corolla, I'm not sure. I do know that what has been sold as the Corolla overseas has been very different from ours. But the size and configuration of this one would make perfect sense as a replacement for what we have now.
#1150 of 3103 Re: Oh, come on, backy [alpha01]
Jul 18, 2007 (7:24 am)
The decrease in interior room on the 2007 Camry is less than 1 cu. foot, but it's a decrease in a larger car.
If the 2009 Corolla's MSRP is increased as much as the 2007 Elantra's MSRP was increased, and at the same time incentives are cut back, and at the same time Toyota cuts back on the number of Corollas available to sell, then I think it's quite possible we'll see a sales decrease for the new Corolla.
#1151 of 3103 Re: Oh, come on, backy [backy]
Jul 18, 2007 (7:48 am)
Given the direction fuel is going, I seriously expect $5-$8 / gallon fuel within 5 yrs, Toyota better be planning a huge increase in Corolla sales. Hybridization of the entire line is the midterm goal to satisfy demand and the probable new CAFE legislation by 2020. But if governmental estimates are accurate ( demand for petroleum products grows as supply and processing capacity remain the same or decline ) then the switch to smaller vehicles will be faster than now even.
Oklahoma landrush comes to mind. Any good well-respected model should flourish; Corolla, Civic, Focus, Elantra, Mazda3, Cobalt (?), 'Hello, Chrysler? There is a probable surge in demand for smallish fuel efficient vehicles. Did you want to participate?'
#1152 of 3103 If Toyota did everything Hyundai does,
Jul 18, 2007 (8:23 am)
Sales would have to go down, wouldn't they?