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#1134 of 3104 Re: Small car growth and the Corolla [backy]
Jul 17, 2007 (1:02 pm)
Toyota's platforms have approximately a 10 yr cycle. This platform is now beginning it's 6th year ( midpoint ). The Camry Gen's 2 & 3 were the same platform; the Gen 4 and 5 are the same platform.
The Highlander is in reality the Lexus 300 which first came out in 1999. That platform ended it's 10 yr life this year.
10 yrs is not carved in stone but it's a good yard stick.
#1135 of 3104 Re: Small car growth and the Corolla [kdhspyder]
Jul 17, 2007 (3:38 pm)
SEMA is not until late october/early november. Well at least we are no longer playing the guessing game anymore. We have an actual date when the corolla will be revealed.
#1136 of 3104 Yeah, Toyota has a plan
Jul 17, 2007 (3:47 pm)
Not like Ford, with the Ranger and Focus, which are hanging on the vine.
#1137 of 3104 Re: Actually [alpha01]
Jul 17, 2007 (3:53 pm)
2006 Camry: 3108 lbs., 189.2 in. long, 70.7 in. wide
2007 Camry: 3285 lbs., 189.2 in. long, 71.7 in. wide
(Source: multiple, including Motor Trend)
Looks to me like the 2007 Camry is bigger than the previous generation car. They are the same length, but the 2007 is wider and heavier.
Yes, I expect the 2009 Corolla will follow suit: bigger and heavier. Hopefully it will also improve to Good on the IIHS side impact test.
#1138 of 3104 Re: Small car growth and the Corolla [kdhspyder]
Jul 17, 2007 (3:59 pm)
OK, I knew the Camry had a long platform life but was not aware the 2009 Corolla would be based on the same platform as the current car. It's amazing to me how Toyota gets away with reusing the same platform on a car for 10-11 years while other automakers redesign the platform every 5 years or so. Ford at least seems to have picked up on this strategy by staying with the same platform for the Focus for quite a while--although they get dinged for it, even though dynamically I think it's a superior platform to the Corolla's.
Hey, did you see in the SEMA announcement the note about a Corolla coupe/hatchback? It's not clear if they meant a coupe that is a hatchback, or a coupe and a hatchback, or if they aren't sure which it will be (i.e. is it just a replacement for the Matrix?) It would be good to see a Corolla coupe again, and a hatchback that is a true Corolla 5-door hatch and not a totally different body style ala the Matrix.
#1139 of 3104 Unless Ford is into the business of running down a good platform
Jul 17, 2007 (4:14 pm)
The Mazda3 is on the Volvo S40 platform, as of 2004. Why the Focus didn't get onboard is anyones's guess.
The Focus is universally panned, against it's superior cousin. Having driven both a bit, that is pretty clear.
#1140 of 3104 Re: Breaking News! [drfill]
Jul 17, 2007 (4:36 pm)
Alpha beat you to the punch doc.
#1141 of 3104 Re: Small car growth and the Corolla [backy]
Jul 17, 2007 (5:41 pm)
The big volume items, Camry/ES, Corolla, 4Runner/GX, Highlander/RX, and soon the Prius all run about 10 yrs on the same base. At about 5 years the sheet metal is changed significantly. At 3 yrs and at 8 yrs there is a minor MCE in styling and content.
In parallel the powertrains also run on about a 10 year cycle but they often overlap the platform updates by about 50%.
As an example, the Camry used the 2.2L through all the Gens 2 and 3 but went to the 2.4L for Gens 4 and 5. However the 3.0L/3.3L V6 overlapped Gens 3 and 4 and was new for Gen 5.
#1143 of 3104 Dynamically, neither car is an All-Star
Jul 17, 2007 (6:45 pm)
Buyers have been very kind to the Ford, even after it's atrocious 2000 year.
Having sold a Focus or two, I know it is positioned as some sort of Sports sedan. It is well behind cars like the Mazda3 in that regard. And it won't get better in the 2008 facelift.
Toyota wants the Corolla to be well-built, likeable, and efficient. That's it.
The people approve.
Look at it this way. This Corolla is going out with a bang!