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#61 of 1439 Re: I am now driving my NEW 2005 Sienna XLE Limited [isellhondas] by cccompson Dec 17, 2004 (3:33 pm)
Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 17, 2004 11:45 am) I don't think his views are extreme. His passion, maybe, but not his views.   I have bought 5 new Hondas since 1984, the last a 2004 Pilot. Will a Odyssey Touring join the family? Much as I like various features on the vehicle, it will not so long as it is equipped with PAX.   Perhaps I could live with the system if it only had one drawback but...   1) As he said, if we have a flat on a vacation weekend, we'll be seeing a deal of somewhere we hadn't planned on.   2) If I don't like the performance (or wear or whatever) of PAX tires, tough, I'm stuck with no alternative short of changing wheels and tires.   3) That long planned vacation through Western Canada? Nope, can't do that with a PAX equipped vehicle.   Three strikes and Honda's PAX system is "out" with me. Replies to this message: digiprod (Dec 18, 2004 7:31 am) indy93 (Dec 18, 2004 11:45 pm)
#62 of 1439 PAX by indy93 Dec 17, 2004 (4:37 pm)
There is no PAX dealer is Los Angeles!
#63 of 1439 Re: I am now driving my NEW 2005 Sienna XLE Limited [cccompson] by digiprod Dec 18, 2004 (7:31 am)
Replying to: cccompson (Dec 17, 2004 3:33 pm) Thanks cccompson,   For understanding my points and passion. I agree with your explaination of the drawerbacks of PAX. As much as I like the PAX technology and the Ody, I feel it is too limiting and controlled too closely by Honda/Michelin. And leaves the consumer stuck in many ways.   My passion is very much based on the dealer and Honda NOT explaining the issues and limitations to consumers. NOT even the Road and Track story explained them adequately. There are others on these forums that found out ONLY after the purchase. This almost happened to me.   gkkim, The Sienna Run flats you are referring to ONLY come standard on the AWD that has NO room for a spare. The Touring has room, but Honda wasted it. The Toyota RFT can be swapped at any time with a standard tire, even in an emergency when stuck somewhere without a RFT. Toyota dealer and literature explained their RFT adequately. Honda hid the facts! I bought the 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE Limited FWD without RFT, I had choice.   isellhondas, I was simply stating what I experienced with the back seats in the Ody at my dealer. Glad you have had great luck. No abuse was put on the Ody I test drove and the lever, JUST broke very easily. Maybe you might want to investagate that the lever in question is made of a thin plastic, making this no so hard to see how it broke. The Sienna simply had a better folding system, void of plastic handles.   As far as the people how thinking I never get flats. Well great for you. But all it will take is one on a weekend or in a remote place. Not to even speak of tire replacements when Honda / Michelin, who some say want to differentiate, will do so by allowing you to pay whatever they want.   PAX allows no snow tires or donut spares so why has Honda made these tires a requirement of the Touring instead of an option? The Touring model in Canada has normal tires. Guess why? They could have differentiate, by offering PAX as an option. And when sales are figured out. I bet they will.   steve, my 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE Limited has tire pressure sensors and has regular normal tires, not RFT. This is easily accomplished to comply with new laws without RFT. PAX has been around since 1998, and after seven years they are still not wide spread. Maybe, I will wait until Goodyear, Pirelli, Toyo and Sumitomo are all selling PAX that fit the Ody Touring and there are actual tire places that repair them before I will buy PAX. Knowing that it is coming does NOT help me when I am stuck somewhere. I do agree RFT technology will be widespread on day, BUT it is to be seen if the PAX technology licensed from just one company is the answer to this.   My posts were not meant to bash Honda or PAX as I almost bought the Honda Touring. It was meant to clear up some peoples misconceptions and help them make an informed choice. I almost made a choice I would have regreted after spending 40K. Seems Honda is NOT telling the entire deal here. Most buyers are either unware or mis-informed. How can you make a clear choice without the facts?   Stephen A Replies to this message: indy93 (Dec 18, 2004 11:45 pm)
#64 of 1439 Well stated... by isellhondas Dec 18, 2004 (9:18 am)
And, again, I hope someone from Honda corporate monitors these boards so they can see just how strongly some people are against these.   As far as getting stranded in a remote location, I guess the same could apply to people who buy unusual cars that don't have dealers in very many places. I can think of quite a few and I really see little difference between getting stuck somewhere with a PAX flat or a blown water pump on a Saab.
#65 of 1439 Saab? by just4fun2 Dec 18, 2004 (10:01 am)
The Ody has "4" tires which will increase the odds of a flat, the Saab only has "1" water pump!   Looks like Honda should have just included a can of "flat" fix and stayed with old technology. Replies to this message: isellhondas (Dec 18, 2004 10:52 am)
#66 of 1439 Re: Saab? [just4fun2] by isellhondas Dec 18, 2004 (10:52 am)
Replying to: just4fun2 (Dec 18, 2004 10:01 am) That Saab has dozens of critical parts that could fail besides a water pump! I only used that as an example.
#67 of 1439 One more point by just4fun2 Dec 18, 2004 (11:57 am)
Honda said that they will get you a replacement PAX tire if you have a problem, just give them a call. What if you are in an area where you have no service for your cell phone? If you are more than 125 miles away from a dealer you could just as easy be in a "no" cell area. Honda can't get you your replacement tire if you can't call them!!!   Yes, I know that if any car has problems and you can't use your cell phone you are in big trouble, but why add to the problem of driving with these tires?   Maybe, Honda's little robot that jogs can bring you your replacement PAX tire!!! I wondered why Honda was working so hard on this little guy!
#68 of 1439 Well.. by isellhondas Dec 18, 2004 (12:49 pm)
Some people look for positives and others the negatives. The PAX system like many things has both.
#69 of 1439 Oh, come on now. by just4fun2 Dec 18, 2004 (1:04 pm)
Some people live in the real world and some people don't. The fact remains that this PAX system could be a huge problem for many Ody owners and they may not even be aware of their situation until it is too late for them.   Like I mentioned before, a can of "flat" fix for $3.99 and regular tires would be a better system than what Honda decided to do with these PAX tires.   The positives will be noticed as you drive your Honda, you will enjoy them. The negatives like PAX tires will bite you in the A$$ and you will be out 40 GRAND!!!   Honda slipped up of this tire combination, admit it.
#70 of 1439 You seem to be forgetting... by isellhondas Dec 18, 2004 (1:58 pm)
They can be RUN FLAT for 125 miles.   If your Saab decides to lose a fuel pump in the middle of nowhere, it can't be driven at all!   Yeah, I see negatives and I'll point them out to my customers and let them weigh the pros vs. the cons fot themselves.   Not everyone sees the glass as half empty the way you do.   And, only time will tell if Honda has, in fact, "slipped up". If this proves to be the case, I will, indeed, admit it. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Dec 19, 2004 11:37 am)

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