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Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans

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PAX by a_l_hubcaps
Dec 01, 2004 (2:02 pm)
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The problem with the PAX tires on the Honda Odyssey is that they fit 17.5" wheels, which is a size that nobody has ever made before or since. This means that if the tires turn out to be problematic and you want to switch to regular tires, you will have to change the wheels, too. Anybody who owned a midsize Ford from 1979 or 1980 probably remembers the metric-tire debacle, which had the same result. Unorthodox wheel sizes on mainstream vehicles are a BAD idea.
 
-Andrew L
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Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [steve_] by gkkim
Dec 01, 2004 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 29, 2004 7:27 pm)

Got this van because the wife had trouble changing tires to go to work the last time around. At least with the van she can "limp" to work.
 
If you had one flat, a donut spare may help get you 50 miles or so at 25-35 mph? The pax will hopefully (if you're on a major freeway) get you some where within the 125 mile radius at 50-55 mph. Much safer than driving slow or trying to change the driver side tire on a freeway.
 
... And what if you had two flats running hard over a large rock/pothole? Happened to me once at 2:00 AM returning home from a fishing trip. Had to wait around for the tow truck! Dunno yet, but wondering if one can run on two flat pax as well.... Hmmm.... Anyone try that yet?
 
Support is sparse now. Hoping Michelin and Honda pick it up and start putting these wheels on other models. Maybe too much of a chance to just slap it on the Accord.
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Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [gkkim] by heywood1
Dec 01, 2004 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: gkkim (Dec 01, 2004 5:04 pm)

Wait until you get to you Honda dealer with your two flats, and they only have one PAX 'Hat Box.'
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Re: Self Sealing [samnoe] by attilauy
Dec 01, 2004 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Nov 29, 2004 7:55 pm)

What brand of self sealing tire do you have? I had Uniroyal and Bridgestone before on my two old 95 Maximas. Bridgestone was a better tire overall compared with Uniroyal. I never had flat tire even with several nails on both brands. However, they discontinued making both types of tires. I want to replace the tires of my '02 Maxima. What brand is still available?
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PAX is the worst of all by impact01
Dec 02, 2004 (6:44 am)
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The worst: Nonstandard PAX system with no spare
bad: Runflats with No spare
ok: Regular Tires (self sealing or otherwise) with donut spare
best: Regular tires with full size spare
 
My Opinion of course.
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Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [heywood1] by gkkim
Dec 02, 2004 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: heywood1 (Dec 01, 2004 7:26 pm)

Sure - with two regular flats, i was still waiting on the roadside for a tow-truck until 6:00 AM.
 
Even with only one hatbox at one Honda dealership, I would still be able to drive to the next Honda dealership - hopefully driving a total of less than 125 miles at 50 - 55 mph
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donuts by stickguy
Dec 02, 2004 (11:35 am)
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You can actually drive more than 50 miles on a dunut, and they are rated for 50 mph at least.
 
keep in mind that the ratings are very conservstive (really worst case) to avoid problems (and liability). I've seen people doing 80 on a donut (dopes), and people who seem to have made them their permanent tire. Not sure how long they will last, but a lot longer than 50 miles.
 
Biggest problem with donuts, to me, is that most are wildly underinflated. They are supposed to carry 60psi, and I bet if you did a random check, 75+% would be way under that. Many people don't bother to check their regular tires, think they dig out the donut and fill that one up?
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Re: PAX [a_l_hubcaps] by trashman3
Dec 02, 2004 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: a_l_hubcaps (Dec 01, 2004 2:02 pm)

"The problem with the PAX tires on the Honda Odyssey is that they fit 17.5" wheels, which is a size that nobody has ever made before or since. "
 
Chevy used to make a 17.5" wheel in the 60's for PU Trucks. It was dumb then too.
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Re: donuts [stickguy] by trashman3
Dec 02, 2004 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: stickguy (Dec 02, 2004 11:35 am)

There is no great combination of tire type for driving or personal safety. I like the runflats on my Sienna. I ripped 2 fist size holes in the sidewall of one. They performed perfectly. I had to slow down, but I have a van full of kids when it happened. Flats often enough happen in multiple tires. Being able to safely make it home or to a garage, is a big plus.
 
    I think the "Best" combination would be Runflats that self seal. Sidewall puncture are very common an self sealing tires don't seal sidewalls, and runflats don't seal at all.
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Re: PAX [trashman3] by heywood1
Dec 02, 2004 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: trashman3 (Dec 02, 2004 12:07 pm)

Actually, I think it's more like 18.1". Like Michelin's ill-fated TRX tires, I believe PAX measurement is metric.

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