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#1430 of 1439 FREE AT LAST...FREE AT LAST! by vinnyny Oct 05, 2009 (5:53 pm)
After owning four Odysseys in the last 8 years, I finally had all I could stand with the PAX debacle. When I took my 07 touring in for a few minor repairs, the technician checked out the whole van--he reported back that my PAX tires might last another 2000 miles if I was lucky (current odometer = 27000). I got 35k miles out of my last set of PAX, so this was a bit of a surprise. I changed the oil and rotated the tires religiously at 5000 miles and kept tire pressure constant. The dealer's price to replace my PAX tires would be $1434 plus tax ($90). So, I traded the van for a Mazda CX-9. I still think the Odyssey is the best family vehicle ever sold in this country, but Honda really let us down by not standing behind PAX.
#1431 of 1439 PAX free by thebings Oct 05, 2009 (6:18 pm)
After reading every message on this forum for a couple years and fretting about my PAX tires, I am finally PAX free. I have a 2006 and went with 2009 Acura TL wheels and BF Goodrich Long Trail T/A Touring 235/60/17. I bought new TPMS and they reset just fine. A special THANK YOU to everyone that has taken the time to post all the information on this forum. It made my decision a lot easier. Don Replies to this message: deerface26 (Oct 07, 2009 11:13 am) thebings (Oct 07, 2009 2:18 pm)
#1432 of 1439 2007 Sienna, can I replace 2 tires? by rareair Oct 07, 2009 (10:47 am)
I am sure the question has been discussed at length but was not able to really find an answer in the forum. SO here it comes again. I have a 07’ Sienna Limited AWD (Purchased with 7,000 miles in 2008). the van has 23k miles on the van and same on the tires) I completely blew it on the rotating tire schedule (I learned my lesson). I now have two shot front RFT OEM tires and 2 pretty good rear tires with tons of tread. I am having trouble deciding my next move. I have visited 3 tire stores to get some advice   Costco they don’t do run flats but could put on 4 nice all season Michelins for $600+. Les Schwab who advised only run flats and only 4 tires at $1,000.   Discount Tires, can do 2 run flats and rotate the used RFT to the front and put new ones in the back (around $400. Is this a really bad Idea or just "not ideal"   I am hoping folks using this forum have some experience in this give me your two cents as far as moving forward. Replies to this message: smlycat (Oct 07, 2009 11:06 am) rareair (Oct 07, 2009 11:28 am) smlycat (Oct 08, 2009 8:57 am) krzyss (Oct 08, 2009 8:45 am)
#1433 of 1439 Re: 2007 Sienna, can I replace 2 tires? [rareair] by smlycat Oct 07, 2009 (11:06 am)
Replying to: rareair (Oct 07, 2009 10:47 am) Just how shot are the fronts with only 7K on them? That's usually the time to rotate them accordign to most owner's manuals. I'd rotate them - the fronts take most of the abuse - and just watch it on wet roads if the tread is gone. Again, I can't believe the tread is shot at 7k.   Check your tire pressure weekly. Low pressure is your enemy. Check for uneven wear, this would idicate an alignment problem.   If you have to replace them, I'd probably opt for the run flats since you can have them repaired at most tire shops. Question, do you have a jack, tools, and a spare? If so, then going with less costly conventional tires is an option too. But $400 for 2 tires out the door is about the norm these days. Replies to this message: rareair (Oct 07, 2009 11:28 am) smlycat (Oct 08, 2009 8:57 am)
#1434 of 1439 Re: PAX free [thebings] by deerface26 Oct 07, 2009 (11:13 am)
Replying to: thebings (Oct 05, 2009 6:18 pm) Hi Don, I will probably end up PAX free in the not too distant future....how much did the Acura wheels and BF tires run - all linstalled? Curious. And who did it for you? Honda Dealer, someone else? I own my Odyssey. Many thanks, Katonah Replies to this message: thebings (Oct 07, 2009 2:18 pm)
#1435 of 1439 Re: 2007 Sienna, can I replace 2 tires? [smlycat] by rareair Oct 07, 2009 (11:28 am)
Replying to: smlycat (Oct 07, 2009 11:06 am) Sorry if I gave the impression that the tires had just 7k on them. they have 23K on them and only one rotation early on. Replies to this message: smlycat (Oct 08, 2009 8:57 am)
#1436 of 1439 Re: PAX free [deerface26] by thebings Oct 07, 2009 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: deerface26 (Oct 07, 2009 11:13 am) Hi Katonah. I bought the wheels on ebay, they were new take-offs from a Acura dealer. It so happened they were sold by a dealer in Kansas City and I live nearby so I picked them up, saved shipping but had to pay tax, total was $573.00. I paid just under $600.00 for the tires, including road hazard and life time balance. I wanted to buy Kumho Road Venture APT KL51 which were cheaper and rated higher on tirerack, but tire shop was having problems getting them ordered and am going on a long trip next week. I also bought new TPMS on ebay for $130.00, new lug nuts, spare wheel and spare hardware from Honda $113.00 and spare tire from tirerack $137.49. So looks like a total of $1,553.49. Just got the tires so too soon to judge them, they do seem to be quiter and handle well and the wheels look great.   As for who installed them, Gene's Tire in Liberty, Mo. I had kind of a hard time finding someone to work with me, everyone was afraid of Honda lawsuits, including Gene's at first. I was hesitant to buy them from tirerack because their local installers here were either expensive or seemed to be incompetent. Anyway, I am just glad this is finally over.   Don
#1437 of 1439 Re: 2007 Sienna, can I replace 2 tires? [rareair] by krzyss Oct 08, 2009 (8:45 am)
Replying to: rareair (Oct 07, 2009 10:47 am) With AWD it may not be good idea to replace only 2 tires. Check manual what Toyota says about maximum circumference difference. For example Subaru advises that all tires should be within .25" with each other's circimference.   You can go Go Flat tires but are you ready to handle flat tire situation without spare. Do you plan to buy spare tire along with regular tires.   Krzys
#1438 of 1439 Re: 2007 Sienna, can I replace 2 tires? [rareair] by smlycat Oct 08, 2009 (8:57 am)
Replying to: rareair (Oct 07, 2009 11:28 am) Hi Rareair:   I missed that nugget of info....23k, no rotation....could be a problem, but it depends on just how bad they are. You need an honest tire tech to advise you. My other comments still stand.   Good luck!
#1439 of 1439 TPMS Reset - Help Pls by skap2 Oct 15, 2009 (2:25 pm)
Just replaced Pax on our 2007 Touring w new wheels from a 2009 Pilot. The master indicator says tire pressure ok, but when I select info to see individual pressure in each tire, front driver says 36 psi, other three are flat lined, no psi indicated. Restarted several times, drove aobut 10 miles, no change.   How can it indicate tire pressure ok with readings from only one of them ? thanks much.

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