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#1420 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2 Aug 31, 2009 (4:58 pm)
Replying to: mixa1 (Jun 20, 2009 7:08 pm) This is for anyone who opted out and considering small action claim.   I am a lawyer but this is only general suggestions, not specific to any one individual or claim.   First, it is always best to get advice from a lawyer in your jurisdiction. Laws vary in each state, and a lawyer can explain what law is applicable to your claim, whether you have a good case, how best to pursue it, etc.   For most depax claims, you will be near or well within the small claims limit. That means in most instances your case will be heard informally by a judge (see my prior posting on this subject). However, its very important to have your legal argument well prepared. That means you can't just say Honda and Michelin ripped me off, or that pax is scam.   When I file my small claim in the future, I will argue that Honda/Michelin violated my state's consumer protection statute by failing to disclose material (meaning important) facts about the pax system, including cost of replacement and low-mile tread wear. Every state has a consumer protection statute, just google that term and your state.   That search will also likely tell you about consumer protection groups in your state. They may be able to give you guidance in how to prepare your case.   In most states discovery is not allowed in small claims. If your state allows discovery, you want to ask Honda/Michelin to produce all documents and information that discuss pax cost and limitations. Problem is that for a small case judge will likely limit what you can ask for. I think it would be helpful to have Honda/Michelin produce the sales and marketing material on pax during the year you purchased your vehicle. We know it says nothing about the well-documented issue on cost and treadwear. You can also print out info from the internet, which a judge may or may not allow. Generally, a judge will be more open to credible sources (for example, a trade journal article on pax problems, v. ranting by a customer on this board).   On costs if you lose, generally loser does not pay in the US especially for smaller claims (which is a big subject on tort reform). HOWEVER, laws vary by state so before you file, make sure to check with the court clerk and ask if losing party pays costs. If they refuse to answer, get legal advice on that within your state. Replies to this message: deerface26 (Sep 08, 2009 5:51 am)
#1421 of 1439 PAX second set by chirp Sep 01, 2009 (7:47 am)
I'm at 38,000 miles along with 3 years of trouble-free driving and just replaced my PAX tires with a new set for $1,263. This should provide me with another 3 years of driving and then I will trade out the van. I still don't understand how some people only get 20,000 miles out of these tires, poor gas mileage and complain of a bad ride. I have had none of these issues or complaints. Replies to this message: amjd1 (Sep 08, 2009 6:49 am) chirp (Sep 14, 2009 6:40 am)
#1422 of 1439 Which lug nuts for '09 Acura TL by thebings Sep 06, 2009 (7:18 am)
I have bought a set of wheels from a 2009 Acura TL for my 2006 Odyssey Touring. Which lug nuts do I buy, the ones for the Acura wheels (90304-TK4-A01) or the ones for the later year (08-09) Odyssey (90304-SJA-A91)? Thanks for any help. Don
#1423 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [skap2] by deerface26 Sep 08, 2009 (5:51 am)
Replying to: skap2 (Aug 31, 2009 4:58 pm) Thank you for this information -- very good to keep at hand.
#1424 of 1439 Re: PAX second set [chirp] by amjd1 Sep 08, 2009 (6:49 am)
Replying to: chirp (Sep 01, 2009 7:47 am) So far we're having the same experience as chirp. We're at 24K on an '07 with nearly 50% of the wear left. No troubles, good mileage, great ride, etc. Peace of mind of not trying to change a tire on Chicago's expressways are worth it for us. Replies to this message: chirp (Sep 14, 2009 6:40 am)
#1425 of 1439 Re: PAX second set [amjd1] by chirp Sep 14, 2009 (6:40 am)
Replying to: amjd1 (Sep 08, 2009 6:49 am) You should have no trouble getting to 40K miles. I still had room to the wear bars, but winter is coming and decided to switch them out now. Keep the pressure up at 37 or so and they ride and wear perfectly. I'm in Chicago as well and totally concur with your statement. This van has also taken two 3,500 mile round trips to the East coast and onto the island of Manhatten
#1426 of 1439 Re: Sitting here with a KNOT in my stomach-Upset [vinnyny] by deerface26 Sep 28, 2009 (8:10 am)
Replying to: vinnyny (Aug 25, 2009 8:22 pm) Apologies for this HUGE delay in response....never got the Spare tire installed, although this is something I can going to schedule. Back tires were replaced Brand New by dealer on August pickup and we went to NJ shore with no problem. Front 2 tires will need replacing at some point...keeing an eye on them. I will keep my eye on tire pressue around 36 psi - as I think that's good. I will get the tire rotates every 6,000 miles -- we are not heavy drivers.... I just love Honda Odyssee -- it's our 4th one, but our FIRST Touring - so a little nervous with the whole PAX crisis you read on everyone's forum...scarey to say the least.   Thank you again. Replies to this message: vinnyny (Sep 28, 2009 2:50 pm) cstiles (Oct 05, 2009 10:44 am) smlycat (Oct 05, 2009 11:23 am)
#1427 of 1439 Re: Sitting here with a KNOT in my stomach-Upset [deerface26] by vinnyny Sep 28, 2009 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: deerface26 (Sep 28, 2009 8:10 am) My latest PAX tires are almost gone at 27K miles. If I get the right number for the van, it's gone this week. It sounds silly, but I refuse to pay $12-1500 for tires every other year. The Ody holds its value so well, that it looks like it will cost me less than $400 month again (this is our fourth). Replies to this message: cstiles (Oct 05, 2009 10:44 am) smlycat (Oct 05, 2009 11:23 am)
#1428 of 1439 Re: Sitting here with a KNOT in my stomach-Upset [vinnyny] by cstiles Oct 05, 2009 (10:44 am)
Replying to: vinnyny (Sep 28, 2009 2:50 pm) We are at 64K miles on our 2006 Ody Touring and our 3rd set of PAX. Replaced the first set at 31K and the 2nd set at 33K miles so our wear has been fairly consistent. I also rotate regularly so all four tires showed fairly even wear. Bumped up psi to the 35~37 range for the 2nd set. Cost to replace was $1,250 plus tax. This is our last set of PAX as the van will be traded prior to hitting 85K. I appreciate the techology but Michelin never delivered with enough support or availability, and the cost to replace a set is about $500 too high to make the business case. Consequently, as others have suggested, PAX has gone the way of TRX.
#1429 of 1439 Re: Sitting here with a KNOT in my stomach-Upset [vinnyny] by smlycat Oct 05, 2009 (11:23 am)
Replying to: vinnyny (Sep 28, 2009 2:50 pm) Forget the PAX tires, go with a set of EX wheels. Several dealers are offering a package deal that includes the TPMS. We did about 2 years ago and have had zero problems. For that matter, Tirerack offers several alternatives as well.

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