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Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) I am thinking to ask dealer to dePAX my Odyssey at their expense. Has anyone done this? Will this be even possible??? If not, what do you guys recommend? I recommend you relax and enjoy your new car. And enjoy your peace of mind that comes with knowing you and/or your wife can drive safely to a safe place (home or a dealership) in the event of a flat tire or blow-out. The silent majority of PAX owners are content with their purchase. I consider the additional cost of the system (i.e., relatively high tire replacement costs, and shorter-lifecycle) to be perfectly acceptable costs for knowing that my wife will not be stranded on the side of the road with our two kids, dealing with a flat tire.
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Replying to: cyberpunk (Jul 08, 2009 12:29 pm) I am thinking to ask dealer to dePAX my Odyssey at their expense. Has anyone done this? Will this be even possible??? If not, what do you guys recommend? If you already bought the car just enjoy your car. Don't worry too much the tire will last at least 20k if you properly inflated. it's easy just check the MID for tire pressure on each tire. If you use your minivan for a long trip I would suggest for you to buy a spare as getting the tire replaced may be difficult in the remote area. Remember at least if you have a puncture in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere you can still drive the car 125 miles with at least 50 mph. replacing for $250 per tire is not bad when you consider your wife don't have to be stranded somewhere waiting for the tire to be change (esp important if you have infant or toddler) |
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| I see most of posts are about 2005-2007. What about 2008 model? Anything specific about dePAX that model? Thanks. | |
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| Dealing with these PAX tires now, wife purchased 06 RL with Tek package, when she brought the car home I phoned the dealer to make sure he can service these tires / wheels, he assurred us he could, well he can't, we have had serval differenct sotries regarding these tire / wheels we will never own another acura / honda again, dealer is useless, dealing with one goodyear dealer in our area who is willing to change these out, he did the follow up on this product, it is a sad day when you buy a 50,000 car and have the acura dealers just shrough there shoulders, well good by acura / honda, never again. | |
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Before DePAXing your Honda, you need to consider what the trade offs are. Some people are happy with knowing that their family bus will not be stranded with a flat while mom is shuttling kids around town. However, there is the issue of cost and limited places that a tire can be serviced. If you plan on taking the minivan on a cross-country trek, one must consider that 125 miles might not get you to anyone that can fix a PAX tire. I found that my local Honda dealership drives their PAX work to the ONLY tire store in the county that has the PAX tire machine. The Honda dealership cannot service PAX tires!!! To add insult to injury, they charge you extra to drive it over to the tire store. They won't tell you unless you ask if they actually perform the PAX tire service. The MATH: To get a new set of PAX tires that will last about 30K miles costs $1200. To De-Pax and get 80K mile tires costs $1900. (my PAX tires lasted only 27K miles) My number crunching told me that over the next 80K miles I would need 3 sets of PAX tires. $3600 versus $1900 AND now that I have new rims the next set of 80K tires will be only $650 while the PAX tires will still cost $1200. Over the life of 150K miles, which the Honda should do if basic maintenance is done, the cost of PAX tires is $4800 while the de-paxing will cost $2550. You need to pick the tire make and model that you want on the car BEFORE getting new tire rims. Not all tires are available with 17-inch rims. This is important when deciding which rims to get for your car since the PAX rims have to be replaced when you de-pax. You will be getting either 235/65 R16 or 235/60 R17 tires. The most recommended tires were the Michelin Energy LX4 and Goodyear Assurance ComforTred. BUT giving business back to Michelin after the PAX disaster seemed silly. I decided that I wanted to get Goodyear Assurance TripleTred tires for better traction, which are only available in 235/65 R16. Tire stores are going to have a hard time removing the tire pressure sensors. As a result they will be charging you labor time that is equal to if not more than the cost of buying new sensors. My advice is to just buy a new set of pressure sensors and leave the PAX tires completely intact. Storing them might be an issue since each tire weighs 70 pounds. I got my DePAX kit from College Hills Honda. http://www.collegehillshonda.com. Select Odyssey DePAX kits on their homepage. They are EXTERMELY helpful. Call toll free and ask for the parts department and talk to them about DePAXing. Their kits come with a mounted spare that takes only 2 minutes to put into the Odyssey spare compartment. (You will discover that your Odyssey did come with a jack and lug wrench, just no spare) They also tell you about the need to change out lug nuts based on your model year and tire rim selected. My recommendation is that you buy a DePAX kit that matches your desired new tire make and model. Purchase the new Sensor Kit that includes the Valve Assembly Kit as well as new Center Caps for the new rims. You will need to get the Lug Nut Kit if you are a 2005-2007 and are changing to a 2008-2009 rim. Get the new tires and sensors mounted and balanced and replace the PAX tires without trying to reuse the pressure sensors in the existing PAX tires. This will give you the option to put the PAX tires back on anytime you want. |
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| Just DePAXed my 07 Touring. Discount Tire installed 18X8 TSW Mallory 5s with Yokohama YK520 235/60R-18 107V. I kept the original TPMS sensors. Michelin was nice enough to credited me $38.00 per tire. The new wheels are very conservative & accent the van. Drove a little over 90 miles today in town & highway, my Honda has never driven smoother or quieter. My center console no longer vibrates, it's like driving a $40k dollar minivan. I purchased a spare tire kit from College Hill Honda $228.84+sh (will process the paper for my $110 refund this weekend). | |
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I'm sitting here with BIG knots in my stomach after reading these De-PAX and RFT horror stories...pretty freaked out --feel like crying. I am completely IN LOVE with the Odyssey mini-van and need it. I've been an EX-L leasee since 2001. I'm picking up a lease turn-in on a 2007 Odyssey Touring with 36,000 miles as my current EX-L lease is due. And now, I just feel like CANCELING THE WHOLE DEAL!! I was just told last night by my Honda dealer that after their 150-count inspection that 2 out of the 4 RFT did not pass HONDA certification--they are being REPLACED BRAND NEW. Ok, that's good for me on at least 2 of them. And, of course, as you all know, I asked the dealer about DePax on all four at their cost--NO WAY! But we ALL know that already. I guess that the DePax battle and headache is just a bit down the road but at least after reading all these blogs I've learned it's more common and can breathe knowing I it can be done. I've read about 200 blogs, I read the latest news about the Michelin-honda settlement and the opt-out. At some point I will be De-Paxing and contacting CollegeHills Honda to buy a DePax kit. I've got a list of the DePax certified shops near me and will call ALL of them and begin to get pricing. I'm ready when the time comes. My serious questions are below and would someone PLEASE give me their opinion since everyone here is really knowledge and I trust these blogs (honesty and safety is everything!) --What do I need to ask the dealer about the remaining 2 RFT tires? --What are the important questions to ask their parts/service department while I am there? --I will be driving the 'new' Odyssey 2007 Touring for an initial 200-mile trip (each way) with kids and heavy, heavy packing and Thule the day after I pick it up. 1. Should I worry badly ABOUT driving this far with a very heavy load and RFT tires? 2. Should I over inflate the tires to 39 PSI as has been suggested by other PAX users? 3. Should I always keep the tires around 39 PSI? 4. Does anyone think since Michelin/Honda have stopped RTF contract, that it will now cost MORE to dePax? I have noticed though that since more dealers and auto repair shops are DePAXING, the cost has come down a bit since the earlier blogs. 5. In someone's opinion, what be the best and most cost-effective tire replacement for me to consider when I De Pax? Tires size and rims, etc. Size? Brand? Do I still need the TMPS equipment? So, who thinks I'm crazy to pick up this Odyssey Touring with PAX tires tomorrow? I'm now happy and sad all at the same time. Thanks for ALL feedback to my ranting and questions. ~Deerface26
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Replying to: deerface26 (Aug 20, 2009 6:57 am) 1. You don't own the car so you have no authority to DEPAX it, 2. JUST LEASE an ODYSSEY without PAX !!!! 2009 Touring models do come with a No-PAX configuration. Tire pressures are measured COLD with the anticipation that they will increase by 4 PSI once the tires warm up. The owners manual says 33 PSI front and 35 PSI rear for PAX tires.....this means that when you are driving down he road, 37 and 39 PSI are the target pressures. You can read them while you are driving on the dash display. See manual if you don't know how to get to that display. My Posting number 1405 details what I think is the best option for depaxing since it leaves the PAX tires intact and fully ready to return to the car anytime you want to restore the PAX tires.
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Does your lease contain a 100% maintainence coverage? If so, it may not be too bad. But keep in mind, only the Honda dealer can change them or repair a flat. I agree with deerface, go with an '08, '09, or '10 without PAX. You don't want to own the van with the PAX tire package if you can help it. BTW - I got 27,500 out of my PAX tires before I de-paxed (16" EX Honda wheels with new touring sensors) and I always ran 35psi all the way around. 33psi in the front tires tended to wearout the edges way too fast. After de-paxing, I still had 5/32 of tread left. I'll either e-bay them, sell them with the van, or throw them back on and wear them out. In theory PAX are really cool, but in reality they suck! |
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