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#1395 of 1439 Re: How to remove the TMPS from the old PAX tires [dandsstanley] by bill517 Jun 17, 2009 (1:01 pm)
Replying to: dandsstanley (Jun 13, 2009 11:45 am) I did it myself and it wasn't very hard. I used a hack saw and cut two slices on the side of the tire about 6 inches apart on either side of the valve stem. Then I used a razor knife to cut between the two near the rim and create a little flap that I could pull up. The valve unscrews very easily. I then stuck my hand in the hole and pulled out the sensor. The rubber near the rim is easy to cut with a knife but as you get into the side wall you need a hack saw because of the wire.
#1396 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [skap2] by mixa1 Jun 20, 2009 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (May 14, 2009 9:21 pm) 3 weeks ago I finally filed a lawsuit in the small claims court against a local Honda dealership for $1700: $400 for fixing a nail in my PAX tire and $1300 for dePaxing and buying a spare. Last Friday I got a certified letter from their lawyer with General Denial. The defendant "generally denies each & every allegation ... and demand strict proof by a preponderance of the evidence". They also demand that my claims "be dismissed with prejudice" and the dealership "be awarded its costs and granted all other and further relief to which it may show itself to be justly entitled".   I'm planning to fight, but since it is my first serious experience with the judicial system, I have a few questions: a. The dealership employed a serious lawyer firm. Should I be better off hiring my own counsel? b. Is there any Consumer Advocate Groups that can help me with a lawyer? c. In Texas, the maximum claim amount in the Small Claim Court is $10000. Does it mean that whoever wins the case has a right to recover his legal expenses from the loosing side up to the maximum amount?   Thanks. Replies to this message: skap2 (Jun 27, 2009 6:04 pm) skap2 (Aug 31, 2009 4:58 pm) deerface26 (Sep 08, 2009 5:51 am)
#1397 of 1439 Almost done DePaxing by esk114 Jun 22, 2009 (4:33 pm)
Bought my 2005 Touring 6-months ago (used). Side-walls on the tires looked big but didn't think much about it. For that matter, didn't think much about the purchase. Just returned to the U.S. after living in the U.K. for many years. Always knew Hondas were good (had 2 previously), thus, couldn't go wrong with the Touring van. Well, after learning about the PAX system, realized, I majorly screwed-up. Might as well pushed bamboo-shoots under my finger nails. The way we realized Honda & Michellin shouldn't be used in the same sentence was after bringing it to our local shop (Kaufmann Tires). They couldn't do the alignment since their machine couldn't fit around the tire. After paying through the yin-yang to the local Honda dealer, both service garages said the same thing: treads are at 2/32s. Further, only the single type of Michellin tires would fit. What a corner Honda has stuck us into. After surfing for answers, all hope was not lost. Went back to Kaufmann and presented them with all sorts of printouts including the College Hills episode 131 DePaxing video (download). After reviewing, they realized "We can do it!" Within 1-day: - 4-new Michelin Energy LX4 17" - 4-new Platinum SS rims (5-spoke) - TPMS easily transferred onto the new rims - alignment, balance, etc. (usual new tire stuff). Much less than the $1400 Honda wanted to charge just for the tires. Now, I have road-mobility that can be serviced anywhere. No more reliance on an over-priced, socially unacceptable and uncaring, lack of customer care type of companies (Honda & Michelin, i.e.). And, the tires can be serviced by any of the shops, nationwide. No more paying $400+ for a simple nail in the tire. With this purchase, the repairs are free.   The reason for the downgrade from the PAX 18" to the 17" is primarily rubbing. I've seen posts on other threads that the 18" size causes wheel-well rubbing. We have experienced that a lot with this van. Now, shouldn't be much of an issue. As for the old rims, going to bring to a 3rd-party dealer and see if they want to buy them (probably cheap). May end-up as planters in our backyards, or, manure traps for the local wildlife, which would be more useful than their currently assigned functions. Only problem is it seems EVERYONE is DePaxing. We went to get a new donut-spare with the install kit. Quoted $245 from Honda. Problem - none in the state. Closest one is 5-6 hrs away in North Carolina. Oh, they can order one but takes about a week. Next time, gonna be very leary of anything Honda puts out. I'm not as much a loyal customer based on this fubar they've done. The lawsuit doesn't even compensate for this type of stuff. The only saving-grace is the spare-tire. Honda offers $110 (with proof of doco), yet, won't record it being purchased at their shop for $245. This is the most monetarily rewarding part to the lawsuit. Reading through it, the rest is B.S. In a few years when its time to get a new van, Honda will NOT be at the top of the list.
#1398 of 1439 2007 Nissan Quest PAX Complete Set by mr302ho Jun 26, 2009 (9:52 am)
I have 4 wheel, TPMS sensors and tires mounted and ready to bolt on. Two wheels are slightly bent but all tires have less than 7k miles on them, almost new. Retail for $1250 from dealer. They are ready to go and I am in MAssachusetts. Drop my a line for more info and pics. Thanks.
#1399 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2 Jun 27, 2009 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: mixa1 (Jun 20, 2009 7:08 pm) If you email me I'll give you some thoughts and suggestions. skaplittyahoo.com
#1400 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [thelinux] by cyberpunk Jul 08, 2009 (12:29 pm)
Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) Ok, I got my new Odyssey touring with PAX last week. I had absolutely no idea of problems related to PAX when I purchased it. So what do I do now?    I am thinking to ask dealer to dePAX my Odyssey at their expense. Has anyone done this? Will this be even possible???    If not, what do you guys recommend?   I recommend you relax and enjoy your new car. And enjoy your peace of mind that comes with knowing you and/or your wife can drive safely to a safe place (home or a dealership) in the event of a flat tire or blow-out.   The silent majority of PAX owners are content with their purchase. I consider the additional cost of the system (i.e., relatively high tire replacement costs, and shorter-lifecycle) to be perfectly acceptable costs for knowing that my wife will not be stranded on the side of the road with our two kids, dealing with a flat tire. Replies to this message: stuman168 (Jul 17, 2009 5:17 am)
#1402 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [cyberpunk] by stuman168 Jul 17, 2009 (5:17 am)
Replying to: cyberpunk (Jul 08, 2009 12:29 pm) Ok, I got my new Odyssey touring with PAX last week. I had absolutely no idea of problems related to PAX when I purchased it. So what do I do now?     I am thinking to ask dealer to dePAX my Odyssey at their expense. Has anyone done this? Will this be even possible???     If not, what do you guys recommend?   If you already bought the car just enjoy your car. Don't worry too much the tire will last at least 20k if you properly inflated. it's easy just check the MID for tire pressure on each tire. If you use your minivan for a long trip I would suggest for you to buy a spare as getting the tire replaced may be difficult in the remote area. Remember at least if you have a puncture in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere you can still drive the car 125 miles with at least 50 mph. replacing for $250 per tire is not bad when you consider your wife don't have to be stranded somewhere waiting for the tire to be change (esp important if you have infant or toddler)
#1403 of 1439 dePAX 2008 Ody. by frank103 Jul 18, 2009 (1:37 pm)
I see most of posts are about 2005-2007. What about 2008 model? Anything specific about dePAX that model? Thanks.
#1404 of 1439 ed by eddieboyeddie1 Jul 21, 2009 (9:40 am)
Dealing with these PAX tires now, wife purchased 06 RL with Tek package, when she brought the car home I phoned the dealer to make sure he can service these tires / wheels, he assurred us he could, well he can't, we have had serval differenct sotries regarding these tire / wheels we will never own another acura / honda again, dealer is useless, dealing with one goodyear dealer in our area who is willing to change these out, he did the follow up on this product, it is a sad day when you buy a 50,000 car and have the acura dealers just shrough there shoulders, well good by acura / honda, never again.

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