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#1390 of 1440 Re: Honda de-pax [vinnyny] by bill517 Jun 09, 2009 (6:41 am)
Replying to: vinnyny (Jun 08, 2009 5:57 pm) The wheel was $60 and the tire was $175. I haven't received anything on the settlement, is the settlement a state or US suit? Replies to this message: vinnyny (Jun 12, 2009 3:56 pm)
#1391 of 1440 Re: Honda de-pax [bill517] by vinnyny Jun 12, 2009 (3:56 pm)
Replying to: bill517 (Jun 09, 2009 6:41 am) The case is being heard on June 23rd in the US District Court in Greenbelt, MD. You can call the attorneys at 866-540-5505 if you have any questions.
#1392 of 1440 How to remove the TMPS from the old PAX tires by dandsstanley Jun 13, 2009 (11:45 am)
I read through a lot of the posts on this forum, and purchased new tires and wheels from Tire Rack. Our local mechanic said he could re-install the sensors on the new wheels, but he tried for a couple hours yesterday and could not get the PAX tires off the wheels. I called another company that specializes in after-market wheels, and they said they worked on run-flat tires and could handle it, and after only 30 minutes today they gave up! It looks like my choices are to (1) buy new sensors (the folks this morning quoted us $200 for the set); (2) convince our Honda dealer (O'Neil in Overland Park, KS. if anyone is from Kansas City area-they have been absolutely no help at all so far) to use their machine to remove the tires and sensors so we can take them elsewhere to have them installed on the new wheels); or (3) find someone to cut a hole in the tires and remove the sensors. Any ideas? Anyone know of someone locally that can help? Thanks. Replies to this message: rtruns_honda (Jun 14, 2009 2:35 am) dandsstanley (Jun 15, 2009 12:19 pm) bill517 (Jun 17, 2009 1:01 pm)
#1393 of 1440 Re: How to remove the TMPS from the old PAX tires [dandsstanley] by rtruns_honda Jun 14, 2009 (2:35 am)
Replying to: dandsstanley (Jun 13, 2009 11:45 am) Just how did your local mechanic try to get the sensors out of the old wheels? The only way it can be done without the PAX Wheel machine is to cut open the sidewall, your option (3). If you read back a few years you will find posts from others that cut open their PAX tires and remove the sensors. The local Tire Fair shop priced me out at about $900. 00 for new aftermarket wheels and generic tires and they would cut out the old sensors. From the pictures I have seen posted on the web it is a good size opening (6x5) and you will need a good cutting tool for the job but it works! Replies to this message: dandsstanley (Jun 15, 2009 12:19 pm)
#1394 of 1440 Re: How to remove the TMPS from the old PAX tires [rtruns_honda] by dandsstanley Jun 15, 2009 (12:19 pm)
Replying to: rtruns_honda (Jun 14, 2009 2:35 am) Thanks. I will try to talk one of the places into doing that.
#1395 of 1440 Re: How to remove the TMPS from the old PAX tires [dandsstanley] by bill517 Jun 17, 2009 (1:01 pm)
Replying to: dandsstanley (Jun 13, 2009 11:45 am) I did it myself and it wasn't very hard. I used a hack saw and cut two slices on the side of the tire about 6 inches apart on either side of the valve stem. Then I used a razor knife to cut between the two near the rim and create a little flap that I could pull up. The valve unscrews very easily. I then stuck my hand in the hole and pulled out the sensor. The rubber near the rim is easy to cut with a knife but as you get into the side wall you need a hack saw because of the wire.
#1396 of 1440 Re: Summary of Small Claims [skap2] by mixa1 Jun 20, 2009 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (May 14, 2009 9:21 pm) 3 weeks ago I finally filed a lawsuit in the small claims court against a local Honda dealership for $1700: $400 for fixing a nail in my PAX tire and $1300 for dePaxing and buying a spare. Last Friday I got a certified letter from their lawyer with General Denial. The defendant "generally denies each & every allegation ... and demand strict proof by a preponderance of the evidence". They also demand that my claims "be dismissed with prejudice" and the dealership "be awarded its costs and granted all other and further relief to which it may show itself to be justly entitled".   I'm planning to fight, but since it is my first serious experience with the judicial system, I have a few questions: a. The dealership employed a serious lawyer firm. Should I be better off hiring my own counsel? b. Is there any Consumer Advocate Groups that can help me with a lawyer? c. In Texas, the maximum claim amount in the Small Claim Court is $10000. Does it mean that whoever wins the case has a right to recover his legal expenses from the loosing side up to the maximum amount?   Thanks. Replies to this message: skap2 (Jun 27, 2009 6:04 pm) skap2 (Aug 31, 2009 4:58 pm) deerface26 (Sep 08, 2009 5:51 am) mixa1 (Dec 07, 2009 6:59 pm)
#1397 of 1440 Almost done DePaxing by esk114 Jun 22, 2009 (4:33 pm)
Bought my 2005 Touring 6-months ago (used). Side-walls on the tires looked big but didn't think much about it. For that matter, didn't think much about the purchase. Just returned to the U.S. after living in the U.K. for many years. Always knew Hondas were good (had 2 previously), thus, couldn't go wrong with the Touring van. Well, after learning about the PAX system, realized, I majorly screwed-up. Might as well pushed bamboo-shoots under my finger nails. The way we realized Honda & Michellin shouldn't be used in the same sentence was after bringing it to our local shop (Kaufmann Tires). They couldn't do the alignment since their machine couldn't fit around the tire. After paying through the yin-yang to the local Honda dealer, both service garages said the same thing: treads are at 2/32s. Further, only the single type of Michellin tires would fit. What a corner Honda has stuck us into. After surfing for answers, all hope was not lost. Went back to Kaufmann and presented them with all sorts of printouts including the College Hills episode 131 DePaxing video (download). After reviewing, they realized "We can do it!" Within 1-day: - 4-new Michelin Energy LX4 17" - 4-new Platinum SS rims (5-spoke) - TPMS easily transferred onto the new rims - alignment, balance, etc. (usual new tire stuff). Much less than the $1400 Honda wanted to charge just for the tires. Now, I have road-mobility that can be serviced anywhere. No more reliance on an over-priced, socially unacceptable and uncaring, lack of customer care type of companies (Honda & Michelin, i.e.). And, the tires can be serviced by any of the shops, nationwide. No more paying $400+ for a simple nail in the tire. With this purchase, the repairs are free.   The reason for the downgrade from the PAX 18" to the 17" is primarily rubbing. I've seen posts on other threads that the 18" size causes wheel-well rubbing. We have experienced that a lot with this van. Now, shouldn't be much of an issue. As for the old rims, going to bring to a 3rd-party dealer and see if they want to buy them (probably cheap). May end-up as planters in our backyards, or, manure traps for the local wildlife, which would be more useful than their currently assigned functions. Only problem is it seems EVERYONE is DePaxing. We went to get a new donut-spare with the install kit. Quoted $245 from Honda. Problem - none in the state. Closest one is 5-6 hrs away in North Carolina. Oh, they can order one but takes about a week. Next time, gonna be very leary of anything Honda puts out. I'm not as much a loyal customer based on this fubar they've done. The lawsuit doesn't even compensate for this type of stuff. The only saving-grace is the spare-tire. Honda offers $110 (with proof of doco), yet, won't record it being purchased at their shop for $245. This is the most monetarily rewarding part to the lawsuit. Reading through it, the rest is B.S. In a few years when its time to get a new van, Honda will NOT be at the top of the list.
#1398 of 1440 2007 Nissan Quest PAX Complete Set by mr302ho Jun 26, 2009 (9:52 am)
I have 4 wheel, TPMS sensors and tires mounted and ready to bolt on. Two wheels are slightly bent but all tires have less than 7k miles on them, almost new. Retail for $1250 from dealer. They are ready to go and I am in MAssachusetts. Drop my a line for more info and pics. Thanks.
#1399 of 1440 Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2 Jun 27, 2009 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: mixa1 (Jun 20, 2009 7:08 pm) If you email me I'll give you some thoughts and suggestions. skaplittyahoo.com

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