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Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans

1439 messages,  Last post on Oct 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM

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Re: Summary of Small Claims [skap2] by mixa1
May 12, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: skap2 (May 06, 2009 5:03 pm)

Thanks for your reply. I got 35K on my original PAX tires, but the main reason I decided to dePAX was the ugly experience I got with fixing the flat PAX tire few months prior to that. I had to spend half a day to find a dealership where they had proper equipment and $405 to fix a simple nail in the tire. I was fortunate that it happened on Saturday and near Austin (I live in Houston) - otherwise we would be stuck there for another day.
 
I have already studied State Bar of Texas website and read everything they have on the small claims. I have also found that CT Corporate System (apparently the law firm) is the registered agent of American Honda Motor Co in Texas. Their headquarters are in Dallas so it seems to me that if I want to sue them I would have to go to the court in their county. That is why I'm considering filing a suit against my local dealership for failing to inform me about all the limitations of the PAX tires such as higher-than-expected replacement costs, difficulty getting repairs and excessive wear and absence of a spare tire.
 
I have already opt out of the settlement. Do you know where I can get Appendix A to support my claims? Any other advice before I talk to the office clerk? Appreciate your help!
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Re: Possible Small Claims Ammo [jareti] by skap2
May 14, 2009 (9:14 pm)
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Replying to: jareti (May 11, 2009 11:28 pm)

short answer is court wouldn't be interersted in that. I don't think there's any evidence pax are unsafe, the big problem here is that they're unreasonably expensive and impratical to replace. Handling, stopping distance and the like aren't grounds for litigaton since those are product characteristics that all vehicles and tires have (some better than others), not defects or undisclosed limitations like having to go to a Honda dealder to replace them at $300 per.
 
Agreed on your observations, identical to my own experience. Every tire person and a few Honda folks all said the same thing, Michelin created a disaster, great in theory but impractical for the real world. Sort of like the Concorde, it was great for those who were willing to pay $5K one way to go Mach 2.
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Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2
May 14, 2009 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: mixa1 (May 12, 2009 5:59 pm)

A few comments:
 
1) 35K makes it harder for your case. A judge can be convinced that is low but its not unreasonable, like 15-20K would be.
 
2) I would sue whoever charged you $405 to remove a nail !!!! My dealer also lied to me, but in fairness, I got a nail a few weeks after taking delivery and they plugged it. I know there's a lot out there about how pax can't be plugged, but I have mine to prove it.
 
3) CT is a corporate agent firm, not a law firm. Just bc they're in Dallas doesn't mean you can't sue them where you bought the car. Not saying you can, I can't evaluate that, but I would ask the clerk to guide you on how to determine whether you can obtain personal jurisdiction in small claims. Don't be afraind to call them more than once.
 
On Appendix A, I haven't looked at the materials yet but I will revert ...
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Honda de-pax by homersodyssey2
May 16, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Since my van is out of warranty, I wasn't too concerned about swapping out the pax system. I de-paxed my '06 using 17" wheels and tires from TireRack, and the oem tire monitors. I got about 35k out my original pax tires and opted to replace them with the Sport Edition wheels and Continental tires. I didn't bother disassembling the pax wheels, so I bought new tire monitors and the entire spare tire kit from the local dealer. The independent tire installer had to use washers to shim the valves/monitors to the rims, otherwise the valve threads are too short to secure them. Everything looks and works great. While it cost almost as much to de-pax the van as the dealer was charging to put new pax tires on, it'll save a lot of money on the next set of tires. It might even save some money on gas and brakes since the new wheels are a lot lighter than the original system.
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Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2
May 21, 2009 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: mixa1 (May 12, 2009 5:59 pm)

I think Annex A is what they sent us in the mail
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Re: Honda de-pax [homersodyssey2] by bill517
Jun 03, 2009 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: homersodyssey2 (May 16, 2009 7:21 am)

I live in Houston and when I depaxed my tires last July at a Goodyear dealer in Pearland the Honda dealer said the sensors wouldn't work on the Honda rims we bought. After reading so many of the comments from people saying they would work, I cut open the old Pax tires and removed the sensors. The Goodyear dealer put the sensors in with no washers and so far they have worked fine. I am really unhappy with the way Honda has treated me on this. Worse than not helping they kept giving me false information.
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Re: Honda de-pax [bill517] by smlycat
Jun 03, 2009 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: bill517 (Jun 03, 2009 1:47 pm)

Congrats!
 
I guess you're going to trash your PAX tires, so reusing the sensors was okay. Most folks, myself included, opted for new touring sensors and sold their PAX tires on ebay.
 
Did you get a spare? I bought one in a junk yard for $20 and bought the mounting kit (washer/bolt) from Honda for $12.
 
W.
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Re: Honda de-pax [smlycat] by bill517
Jun 08, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: smlycat (Jun 03, 2009 3:11 pm)

I bought a new spare from the Goodyear dealer not realizing how expensive they are. I advise all to go to the junk yard.
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Re: Honda de-pax [bill517] by vinnyny
Jun 08, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: bill517 (Jun 08, 2009 6:11 am)

The settlement allows a reimbursement of $110 for the spare tire. Was it much more than that?

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