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#1369 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [vinnyny] by jeffreyh2 Apr 16, 2009 (5:48 pm)
Replying to: vinnyny (Mar 21, 2009 7:50 am) vinny,   I've gotten 45,000 miles on my PAX tires. Twice now.   Otherwise I agree with your list and commentary.   Regards, JEff Replies to this message: oddy2007 (Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am) jeffreyh2 (Apr 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
#1370 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [jeffreyh2] by oddy2007 Apr 19, 2009 (10:01 am)
Replying to: jeffreyh2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:48 pm) #1369 Jeff,   Can you share your wisdom on how to get up to 45K on your PAX tires?   I have been rotating mines every 3K and maintaining them at 39 PSI. Currently at 16K and the my tires are less than 1/8.   I called dealers in Southern California. They all quoted about $1200 - $1400. Yike! This hurts badly through this economic period.   MP Replies to this message: jeffreyh2 (Apr 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
#1371 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [thelinux] by chmnj Apr 19, 2009 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) It will be tough negotiating, since you're already out of the dealership with the car. I bought a 2005 used Touring in January and dragged the negotiations out after the salesman had no doubt booked the sale, after I did research on PAX. He stuck to the Honda party line, which is that you can find something bad about anything on the Internet and many people swear by their PAX tires, and they haven't had any more complaints about them than they have about other aspects of the car. Eventually, I got them to eat half the cost to de-pax with snow tires. Then I kept the PAX tires and rims, figuring I'd get a season out of them. Replies to this message: zac7 (Apr 19, 2009 1:23 pm)
#1372 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [chmnj] by zac7 Apr 19, 2009 (1:23 pm)
Replying to: chmnj (Apr 19, 2009 1:03 pm) About 3 weeks ago with 22,300 miles, I replaced my PAX tires with new PAX at a Honda dealership. I had previously set up a claim with Michelin when I noticed the tires were wearing out too quickly and they wanted me to check back when the wear was down to 3/32.   Michelin agreed to pay for half the cost of the tires so it cost me $944 for everything. The Honda dealership wouldn't reduce their charges for mounting balancing etc.   The Honda dealership can't seem to balance the tires properly as I'm getting a shake in my steering wheel now at 70 mph when I never had any problems before the tire change. My 2006 Odyssey has been back twice since for rebalancing and now I have to take it in again.   I counted 16 - 1/4 oz weights on my right front wheel, with them spread in two groups almost directly opposite each other.   Is anyone else finding that the Honda dealers can't seem to balance the PAX tires or are they as the dealer says "hard to balance"? Perhaps I have an out of round tire because if I go above 70 to about 75 or 80 the steering wheel shake fades.
#1373 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [oddy2007] by jeffreyh2 Apr 21, 2009 (5:43 pm)
Replying to: oddy2007 (Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am) Driving style, maybe? I know that I drive a lot less aggressively now than I did 20-30 years ago. Otherwise, I don't know.   I rotate my tires every 5,000 miles, each time I change the oil.   A little over $1,200 is what I've paid for a set of 4.   Balancing may be important, and tricky to get right. I had developed some vibration at about 65 mph before my last replacement, but afterward the replacement which included a balancing I have no vibration at highway speeds.   Regards, JEff
#1374 of 1439 Experience with PAX tire by stuman168 May 03, 2009 (4:49 pm)
We purchased our 2007 touring because I like the idea of run flat. We had no problem with the tire and the wear seems okay considering other people been complaining. We mostly use it in town with a few long distance trip to CA, WA or BC. Last sunday, when we're driving home from our trip, we experience a tire puncture while I was driving 70-75 mph. First I heard a bang like something hit a wheel well. I check the MID to see the tire pressure to make sure it's not the tire. Initially, all tire pressure was 34 then within seconds the right rear number start to decrease from 34 to 3 fairly quickly. I slowed the vehicle and find a safe place to stop. It looked like flats but side wall is OK so I decided to drive recommended speed 50 mph while my wife tried to make some phone call. initially we called honda care and we're forwarded to michelin which pretty much useless. They told me I can safely drive the car 50mph for 125 miles. Unfortunately we're over 130 miles away from home and it's sunday afternoon. They can't help me since all the honda service are closed. I was in dilemma to drive all the way home thinking if they can certified the tire for 125 miles they are probably good for few more miles. I check the tire after driving 15 miles without exceeding 50 mph. the tire was quite warm but not burning hot while the other 3 tire was cool. Since I am driving with 2 toddler, I don't want to push it. So we drove to the honda dealer where we bought the car in metro portland area. We left the car there and we have to get another mean of transportation to get home. SInce the dealer can't sell me a spare tire or sell me a wheel tire combo. the next day I called the dealership and unfortunately their pax machine is down and may take a few days to get it fixed. luckily my local dealer has a working machine and the tire staff is loaning me a paxtire/wheel ( used pax tire/wheel and kinda worn) so I can drive 100 miles to my local dealership.   I guess from this experience I'll get a spare tire for my car and if I travel to remote area I may consider dePAXing but for driving in town my wife will probably prefer the PAX because she can keep on driving without changing tire (in town)
#1375 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [skap2] by mixa1 May 03, 2009 (7:45 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (Mar 02, 2009 7:53 pm) I dePAXed 3 months ago, paid $2000 for the new wheels and tires and now is planning to go to a small claim court. I'm not sure if I shall sue my local Honda dealership where I bought my Odyssey or Honda USA that does not have headquarters in Texas. Any suggestions? Replies to this message: skap2 (May 06, 2009 5:03 pm) mixa1 (May 12, 2009 5:59 pm) skap2 (May 14, 2009 9:21 pm) and 4 more... skap2 (May 21, 2009 3:45 pm)
#1376 of 1439 Re: Summary of Small Claims [mixa1] by skap2 May 06, 2009 (5:03 pm)
Replying to: mixa1 (May 03, 2009 7:45 pm) How many miles did you get on the PAX ? I'm not admitted in TX and never practiced there, however one I thing I do know is several counties in TX are very pro-plaintiff. Whether you can sue Honda USA depends on the jurisidction requirements in your local small claims court. You can definitely sue your local dealer in the county where they're located. Good chance you can sue Honda USA too if they do business in your county, also check to see who their resident agent is in TX for service of process.   Small claims courts tend to be user friendly, I sugggest calling the clerks office after your review their website.   One thing to bear in mind, you must opt out of the class action settlement which was just mailed out to Ody owners. Of course risk is that you may lose in sm claims but in my view the settlement is so miniscule for depax owners, doesn't much matter.   Hope this helps Replies to this message: mixa1 (May 12, 2009 5:59 pm) skap2 (May 14, 2009 9:21 pm) mixa1 (Jun 20, 2009 7:08 pm) and 3 more... skap2 (May 21, 2009 3:45 pm)
#1378 of 1439 Possible Small Claims Ammo by jareti May 11, 2009 (11:28 pm)
Not sure if this would be relavent information for sm claims or not. My experience with dePAxing has shown significantly improved handling and reduced stopping distance of the van. I haven't officially tested this, but my seat of the pants tests suspect a significant difference. If this can be proven with official testing somehow it could be an important safety note that may be grounds for a recall. I'm told that each PAX wheel weighs around 75 lbs that's about 35 - 40 lbs heavier than your typical rim and tire and less rotating mass hanging off the axles is likely the reason most drivers notice different handling characteristics when they dePAX.   There's also issues with how the PAX tire profile doesn't align with the van's suspension properly hence the premature wear on the outer shoulders of the tires. If you mostly drive the van with a couple of kids most of the time (practically empty) you will see very premature tire wear on the outer shoulders (15k in my case). This issue was pointed out to another owner by a mechanic, but i don't remember who or where.   Every mechanic and tire professional i talk to about this is stunned by this product and how simply awful it is compared to existing tire technology. This whole thing has to be at the top of the list of the worst technology debacles in automotive history. Replies to this message: skap2 (May 14, 2009 9:14 pm)

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