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#1364 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [thelinux] by shipo Mar 18, 2009 (9:08 am)
Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) Technically it is very possible; however, most dealers will absolutely refuse to do it at their expense, especially post-sale.   If you decide to de-PAX yourself, you have lots of options that range from new Honda wheels and GFT rubber through a complete aftermarket set.   Keep us posted on how you make out.   Best regards, Shipo
#1365 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [thelinux] by vinnyny Mar 21, 2009 (7:50 am)
Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) You could have gotten your Ody without PAX at time of sale, but you're probably out of luck now. You should take time to read through this discussion to learn the pros and cons of PAX. For most of us, it seems that lack of disclosure at time of sale was the biggest concern. Here's a quick and oversimplified summary of PAX concerns: 1) The tires don't last as long as regular tires (35k miles max); 2) They cost three times as much to replace (it used to be much more than that); 3) When you need a replacement tire, it may be difficult to find a qualified service center with the right equipment; and 4) If you can find a PAX service center, the chances that it has the required parts in stock are pretty slim.   Some complain about dimished ride quality and handling, but I figure that you should have noticed that when you test drove the vehicle.   When I bought my 2006 Touring, the dealer told me that all Honda dealers would have the special PAX equipment and that the replacement cost differential would be 10-15%. He didn't mention poor tread life and actually praised Michelin for its famous durability. At the time, I lived in Tucson and my wife and kids made many trips up to Phoenix to visit family while I was at work. The safety and security of tires that could be driven--even flat--all the way there offset the increased cost. What they didn't tell us was that if the van got a flat, my wife and kids might make it to Phoenix, but the van would probably be stuck there for days while one of the very few qualified dealers waited for one of the ridiculously over-priced tires to be shipped from the warehouse. At that time, a set of four PAX and the required additional parts would cost about $2400 installed.   Forget about driving cross-country in early 2006 because it was as much as 500 miles between qualified PAX service centers (and PAX Tourings didn't come with spare tires)!   When I traded my 2006 Touring for a 2007, I was fully aware of the PAX issues and I had moved to VA where there are more PAX dealers. I traded the 06 with only 35K miles on it because I wasn't willing to pay the $1600 quoted to replace the tires. I could have bought another brand, but we loved the Ody and the PAX-free Touring wasn't available yet. At least this time I knew what I was getting and made a conscious decision to trade off increased cost/less convenience for improved safety.   Honda owed us all that information up front and they should not have promised a support network that they could not deliver. When the tread life issues surfaced, they should have simply offered free replacements instead of excuses. Replies to this message: jeffreyh2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:48 pm) oddy2007 (Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am) jeffreyh2 (Apr 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
#1366 of 1439 Re: Bye Bye PAX [edwardtinsley] by bill517 Apr 13, 2009 (9:33 am)
Replying to: edwardtinsley (Feb 23, 2009 5:12 am) I have depaxed my Ody but I don't have the sensors installed. What sensors did you buy from Honda? Do you think I can use the ones on my old Pax tires? Replies to this message: shipo (Apr 13, 2009 9:46 am) smlycat (Apr 13, 2009 11:22 am)
#1367 of 1439 Re: Bye Bye PAX [bill517] by shipo Apr 13, 2009 (9:46 am)
Replying to: bill517 (Apr 13, 2009 9:33 am) Most wheels will accept the TPMS sensors that came on your PAX wheels. I have heard a few sporadic reports of sensors not fitting, but like I said before, they'll fit most wheels.   Best regards, Shipo
#1368 of 1439 Re: Bye Bye PAX [bill517] by smlycat Apr 13, 2009 (11:22 am)
Replying to: bill517 (Apr 13, 2009 9:33 am) If you can get them out easily - doubt it. Otherwise you need to purchase new Touring sensors from Honda $35 each +/-. I assume you depaxed with a Honda brand wheel. If not, I'm not sure if the sensors will fit an aftermarket wheel.
#1369 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [vinnyny] by jeffreyh2 Apr 16, 2009 (5:48 pm)
Replying to: vinnyny (Mar 21, 2009 7:50 am) vinny,   I've gotten 45,000 miles on my PAX tires. Twice now.   Otherwise I agree with your list and commentary.   Regards, JEff Replies to this message: oddy2007 (Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am) jeffreyh2 (Apr 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
#1370 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [jeffreyh2] by oddy2007 Apr 19, 2009 (10:01 am)
Replying to: jeffreyh2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:48 pm) #1369 Jeff,   Can you share your wisdom on how to get up to 45K on your PAX tires?   I have been rotating mines every 3K and maintaining them at 39 PSI. Currently at 16K and the my tires are less than 1/8.   I called dealers in Southern California. They all quoted about $1200 - $1400. Yike! This hurts badly through this economic period.   MP Replies to this message: jeffreyh2 (Apr 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
#1371 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [thelinux] by chmnj Apr 19, 2009 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) It will be tough negotiating, since you're already out of the dealership with the car. I bought a 2005 used Touring in January and dragged the negotiations out after the salesman had no doubt booked the sale, after I did research on PAX. He stuck to the Honda party line, which is that you can find something bad about anything on the Internet and many people swear by their PAX tires, and they haven't had any more complaints about them than they have about other aspects of the car. Eventually, I got them to eat half the cost to de-pax with snow tires. Then I kept the PAX tires and rims, figuring I'd get a season out of them. Replies to this message: zac7 (Apr 19, 2009 1:23 pm)
#1372 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [chmnj] by zac7 Apr 19, 2009 (1:23 pm)
Replying to: chmnj (Apr 19, 2009 1:03 pm) About 3 weeks ago with 22,300 miles, I replaced my PAX tires with new PAX at a Honda dealership. I had previously set up a claim with Michelin when I noticed the tires were wearing out too quickly and they wanted me to check back when the wear was down to 3/32.   Michelin agreed to pay for half the cost of the tires so it cost me $944 for everything. The Honda dealership wouldn't reduce their charges for mounting balancing etc.   The Honda dealership can't seem to balance the tires properly as I'm getting a shake in my steering wheel now at 70 mph when I never had any problems before the tire change. My 2006 Odyssey has been back twice since for rebalancing and now I have to take it in again.   I counted 16 - 1/4 oz weights on my right front wheel, with them spread in two groups almost directly opposite each other.   Is anyone else finding that the Honda dealers can't seem to balance the PAX tires or are they as the dealer says "hard to balance"? Perhaps I have an out of round tire because if I go above 70 to about 75 or 80 the steering wheel shake fades.
#1373 of 1439 Re: Got my new Odyssey with PAX and WTF??? [oddy2007] by jeffreyh2 Apr 21, 2009 (5:43 pm)
Replying to: oddy2007 (Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am) Driving style, maybe? I know that I drive a lot less aggressively now than I did 20-30 years ago. Otherwise, I don't know.   I rotate my tires every 5,000 miles, each time I change the oil.   A little over $1,200 is what I've paid for a set of 4.   Balancing may be important, and tricky to get right. I had developed some vibration at about 65 mph before my last replacement, but afterward the replacement which included a balancing I have no vibration at highway speeds.   Regards, JEff

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