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Vans & Minivans Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans
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As the owner of four Honda Odysseys since 2001, I think the Odyssey is the best family-hauler on the planet. I've gotten several friends and family members to buy in too. However, when the PAX tires on my '07 wear out, I won't be trading for another Odyssey. Period. Honda violated a personal trust with me and I will never buy another Ody. I understand that Honda didn't really have a choice about whether or not to litigate--the shysters make it impossible for them to do otherwise. Honda lost the court battle but we consumers still got nothing. If Honda wanted to keep a loyal customer like me, all they needed to do was say: "We may not have given you all the information you deserved when you bought our product. To make it up to you, we will install one free replacement set of PAX tires or we will de-PAX your vehicle at our expense--your choice." Had they done so, I might have bought another Ody next year (or perhaps a Pilot). Now, I absolutely will not buy another Ody and will buy an American product instead. Oh yeah, my next tires will be Goodyear (or at least somebody other than Michelin). |
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Ok, I got my new Odyssey touring with PAX last week. I had absolutely no idea of problems related to PAX when I purchased it. So what do I do now? I am thinking to ask dealer to dePAX my Odyssey at their expense. Has anyone done this? Will this be even possible??? If not, what do you guys recommend? |
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Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) If you decide to de-PAX yourself, you have lots of options that range from new Honda wheels and GFT rubber through a complete aftermarket set. Keep us posted on how you make out. Best regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am) 1) The tires don't last as long as regular tires (35k miles max); 2) They cost three times as much to replace (it used to be much more than that); 3) When you need a replacement tire, it may be difficult to find a qualified service center with the right equipment; and 4) If you can find a PAX service center, the chances that it has the required parts in stock are pretty slim. Some complain about dimished ride quality and handling, but I figure that you should have noticed that when you test drove the vehicle. When I bought my 2006 Touring, the dealer told me that all Honda dealers would have the special PAX equipment and that the replacement cost differential would be 10-15%. He didn't mention poor tread life and actually praised Michelin for its famous durability. At the time, I lived in Tucson and my wife and kids made many trips up to Phoenix to visit family while I was at work. The safety and security of tires that could be driven--even flat--all the way there offset the increased cost. What they didn't tell us was that if the van got a flat, my wife and kids might make it to Phoenix, but the van would probably be stuck there for days while one of the very few qualified dealers waited for one of the ridiculously over-priced tires to be shipped from the warehouse. At that time, a set of four PAX and the required additional parts would cost about $2400 installed. Forget about driving cross-country in early 2006 because it was as much as 500 miles between qualified PAX service centers (and PAX Tourings didn't come with spare tires)! When I traded my 2006 Touring for a 2007, I was fully aware of the PAX issues and I had moved to VA where there are more PAX dealers. I traded the 06 with only 35K miles on it because I wasn't willing to pay the $1600 quoted to replace the tires. I could have bought another brand, but we loved the Ody and the PAX-free Touring wasn't available yet. At least this time I knew what I was getting and made a conscious decision to trade off increased cost/less convenience for improved safety. Honda owed us all that information up front and they should not have promised a support network that they could not deliver. When the tread life issues surfaced, they should have simply offered free replacements instead of excuses.
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Replying to: edwardtinsley (Feb 23, 2009 5:12 am)
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Replying to: bill517 (Apr 13, 2009 9:33 am) Best regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: bill517 (Apr 13, 2009 9:33 am) |
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Replying to: vinnyny (Mar 21, 2009 7:50 am) I've gotten 45,000 miles on my PAX tires. Twice now. Otherwise I agree with your list and commentary. Regards, JEff
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Replying to: jeffreyh2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:48 pm) Can you share your wisdom on how to get up to 45K on your PAX tires? I have been rotating mines every 3K and maintaining them at 39 PSI. Currently at 16K and the my tires are less than 1/8. I called dealers in Southern California. They all quoted about $1200 - $1400. Yike! This hurts badly through this economic period.  MP
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Replying to: thelinux (Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am)
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