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#1339 of 1439 Re: PAX Swap-Out Experience [fnx] by kevbels Jan 08, 2009 (7:15 pm)
Replying to: fnx (Nov 24, 2007 3:07 pm) I've never seen a more blatant attempt to cover up a SNAFU (by any company not just an automotive manufacturer). I actually called Honda Customer Relations. They recommended that I swap the tire and wheel combo out. I called Tirerack to do just that and they said they couldn't help me.   So, since the professionals couldn't help I referred myself to Edmunds' as well as other forums and forced the swap myself.   I found MDX wheels 18' 5x120 bolt pattern with either 45 or 55 offset (can't remember) on Ebay for $400 shipping included. I called Tirerack and ordered Kuhmo tires for $600. I bought lug nuts from Acura for $85. I paid my tire guy (long-time friend of 25 years Matthews Tire Co. located in Indian Trail, NC owner's name is Jerry Rowell and Son Jason Rowell) $160 to mount, balance and perform a four wheel alignment. They re-used the TPMS sensors and valve stems by cutting a hole with a steak knife in the sidewall and removed them by hand.   Jerry and Jason (704) 821-1211 in North Carolina near Charlotte did a great job. They got one of the PAX tires and cut the rest of the rubber off. They spent the rest of the day marveling and admiring the craftsmanship of the PAX system. They couldn't believe Honda could get a plastic looking ring like that over a wheel then mount the rubber around it.   They both agreed that it was way ahead of its time and also that it was a total flop. The remembered Michelin wanted 5000 to upgrade their machines. Obviously they didn't buy it.   Honda if you're smart enough to read this.....You all are the ones that flubbed it up! Sure, Michelin made the worst wearing tire in their History but Honda had to charge excessive and absurd amounts to mount those P>O>S> and repair flats at a cost of $40 a pop. Honda, you even ran a buy 3 get one free tire sale with a PAX disclaimer caveat. Michelin was willing to give recompense to dissatisfied customers but I never had one Honda dealer offer to reimburse me for spending 400 a year to mount tires.   So now I have the greatest van ever made with a beautiful set of 18" Acura rims that are Poppin. My centercaps even fit. I'm PAX free. I feel better knowing that I'm not going to have to consider tire issues in my 05 odyssey for some time. I even got excited enough to give it a complete detail. I just wish I had the pictures to show everyone.       For all you guys out there sitting on the fence not knowing whether to de-pax or not. Get it done, you'll sleep better knowing you did. I expect the quality and wear life of regular run-flats will get better and probably my next set (in 2.5 years) will be run-flats. Until then, I'll have a smile on my face everytime I drive by a Honda dealer!   Kevin Indian Trail, NC
#1340 of 1439 WHY NOT USE NEW ODY TOURING RIMS/TIRES? by vinnyny Jan 08, 2009 (7:26 pm)
Now that Honda is offering the Touring model without the PAX system, it seems odd that nobody has posted about using the new 08 rims/tires for a swapout on an earlier model. Is this not possible for some reason?
#1341 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [skap2] by saelkins Jan 16, 2009 (7:02 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (Jan 03, 2009 4:23 pm) You might want to check this out...   http://www.libertylaw.com/current-cases-and-investigations/
#1342 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [vinnyny] by saelkins Jan 16, 2009 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 04, 2009 6:29 pm) http://www.libertylaw.com/current-cases-and-investigations/
#1343 of 1439 Re: PAX suit settled- hearing Jan14 [05toering] by gary_mag Jan 16, 2009 (9:12 pm)
Replying to: 05toering (Jan 06, 2009 2:25 pm) Do you have any details as to what the judgment was this past Wednesday?   I am part of the Class Action Lawsuit.
#1344 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [skap2] by bukfan Jan 19, 2009 (8:15 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (Jan 03, 2009 4:23 pm) I'm in Ohio and having a difficult time finding any Honda dealer who will help. Even the simple question "will the EX wheels fit my touring edition?" Blank look and an "I don't see why not." I would like to know which OH dealer knows how to dePax. Replies to this message: edwardtinsley (Jan 20, 2009 5:53 am) skap2 (Jan 20, 2009 5:55 am) bukfan (Jan 23, 2009 1:39 pm)
#1345 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [bukfan] by edwardtinsley Jan 20, 2009 (5:53 am)
Replying to: bukfan (Jan 19, 2009 8:15 pm) I live in Georgia and got no help from my dealer either. The service manager seemed interested in putting a package together, but was shot down by the owner of the dealership. He put it this simply... liability. The owner of the dealership said they were afraid they would be held liable for any accident that occured as a result of a flat tire. Saying that someone (other than the owner that demanded the run-flats be removed) driving the van might assume the Touring had run-flats and might continue to drive it with a flat tire, causing an accident. They said that unless Honda specifically ok'd a program, they would not help.
#1346 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [bukfan] by skap2 Jan 20, 2009 (5:55 am)
Replying to: bukfan (Jan 19, 2009 8:15 pm) http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_odyssey_accessories/05_07_odyssey_exterio- r.htm Replies to this message: bukfan (Jan 23, 2009 1:39 pm)
#1347 of 1439 Settlement Preview by skap2 Jan 22, 2009 (7:57 am)
http://www.mddailyrecord.com/article.cfm?id=10486&type=UTTM   Well, my prediction was slightly optimistic for us and slightly modest for the lawyers. According to the reports, $3 million in fees for them (I predicted 1-2), and Michelin will cover replacement costs pro rata relative to present tread wear. Which is what the original warranty provides anyway. Upshot is jackpot for the plaintiffs lawyers, Honda and Michelin are immunized and we basically get nothing.   If these terms are final, my advice is that as many as possible should opt out of the settlement (I will). If 10 opt out they can crush us, if 1,000 do it that changes the game since each individual case costs $500-$1,000 for them to defend in small claims. In most cases these claims can be brought in local small claims court, no guarantee of victory but zero is what we have now.
#1348 of 1439 Re: Negotiating w dealer [skap2] by bukfan Jan 23, 2009 (1:39 pm)
Replying to: skap2 (Jan 20, 2009 5:55 am) Huge help! Thanks for the link. The video podcast on dePaxing is great! Unbelievable how my dealer says they have never heard of such a thing but the junk yard knows exactly what I'm talking about when I mention PAX.

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