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Re: Pax Free [croftonhills]
by edwardtinsley
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Dec 19, 2008 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: croftonhills (Nov 19, 2008 11:41 am)
Sent some pics of the Pilot wheels to your email the other day. Hope you got them.
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Re: Pax Free [edwardtinsley]
by chmnj
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Dec 30, 2008 (5:44 am)
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Replying to: edwardtinsley (Nov 05, 2008 8:17 am)
I put a deposit down on a pristine 2005 Odyssey Touring on Saturday and asked the salesman about putting snow tires on the car - he said he'd get back to me. Then I did some research and, at the end of things, found your post. Honda Pilot wheels seem readily available on ebay for about the price you listed. I do have a few questions and seek confirmation before I figure out what to do about the purchase that I may now want to put on hold. First and foremost, what did you do for a spare? Are the Michelins that you say you installed themselves regular run-flats? If not do you have to also get a doughnut or will a regular spare fit somewhere in the vehicle? Was the cost of the lug nuts and sensors together $280? Have you managed to sell the Touring PAX wheels and tires? I am wondering wonder whether there's a market for them.
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Re: Pax Free [chmnj]
by rtruns_honda
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Dec 30, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: chmnj (Dec 30, 2008 5:44 am)
What I have done to date is buy a set of non-pax snow tires and wheels with the TPMS setup and the spare tire setup. I have included all the information I have for both snow and all season tire setup. At the time I did the snows I needed a very quick turnaround and so I worked with a Honda online dealer (http://www.bernardiparts.com/SearchOptions.aspx). They where very helpful. That said, I do believe there are local tire dealers that will also do the conversion and they could use your old TPMS on the PAX wheels this would save 4*$33.50. One very nice thing about getting the setup from Bernardi they include all the labor but you will have to pay shipping. We ran all winter on the setup below without problems. I have also found nice wheel and tire setups on Ebay. Once you have a spare you have many more chooses. The prices are about a year old. All Odyssey’s have the spare tire wheel well in the left rear of the van just pull off the panel you will need the wing bolt to secure the spare.
Here is the standard package for all season tires:
Wheels (alloy 16x7) – 42700-SHJ-A91 $154.10 each
Center caps - 44732-S0X-A01 $5.54 each
Tires – Bridgestone Turanza EL42 (235/65/R16) - 42751-BRI-085 $103.40 each
Or Michelin Energy LX4 (235/65/R16) - 42751-MIC-082 $143 each
TPMS sensors – 06421-S3V-A04 $33.50
Lugs – 90304-SJA-A91 (require 20) $3.07
Spare tire setup:
Spare tire – 42751-GYR-034 $107.36
Wheel disk – 42700-SHJ-A51 $40.63
Valve stem – 42753-SB8-661 $.63
Wing bolt – 90106-S0X-A01 $1.07
Tire bracket – 74651-SHJ-A00 $2.78
Grommet – 74652-SHJ-A00 $1.72
What I did for snow tires:
Non PAX Set up on steel wheels –
STEELS – 42700-SHJ-A01 $31.61 each
SNOW TIRES – T1 (Toyo 235/65/R16) - $150
TPMS SENSORS – 06421-S3V-A04 $32.78 each
LUG NUTS – 90304-SHJ-A01 (requires 20) - $68.40 total
(optional) Hub Caps - 44733-SHJ-A00 $17.98 each
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Re: Pax Free [rtruns_honda]
by chmnj
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Dec 31, 2008 (4:01 am)
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Replying to: rtruns_honda (Dec 30, 2008 7:52 am)
Many thanks for all the information, particularly the information on Bernardi Parts. In the New York Times article about Michelin phasing out PAX tires, a Honda representative is quoted as saying that owners shouldn't change out the tires because the suspension was tuned for PAX and it will be degraded if you put non-PAX tires and rims on he car. Have you noticed any deterioration of the ride after you de-paxed?
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Re: Pax Free [chmnj]
by shipo
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Dec 31, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: chmnj (Dec 31, 2008 4:01 am)
Unsprung weight (which includes wheels and tires) is the bane of handling for any vehicle, regardless of how "tuned" the suspension is. Said another way, due to the fact that non-PAX wheels and tires will weigh in at only half to two-thirds of the weight of the PAX assembly, it is highly likely that your Odyssey will ride and handle better if you switch to GFTs (Get Flat Tires). As it turns out, I've read anecdotal reports from many-many folks who've made the switch, and they either indicate that they cannot tell the difference (faulty butt skid-pad calibration device IMHO  ), or they indicate a significant improvement in the ride and handling department.
Keep us posted on what you do.
Best regards,
Shipo
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Re: Pax Free [chmnj]
by edwardtinsley
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Dec 31, 2008 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: chmnj (Dec 30, 2008 5:44 am)
The Michelins I bought are NOT run-flats. They are regular tires. I do not have a spare, yet. Any Honda dealer can sell you a spare and mounting kit (like all the LX and EX models came equipped with). It mounts behind a panel in the rear on the driver's side. Check this thread, I think there are several comments on it, including pricing. Yes, $280 was for the lug nuts AND new TPMS sensors (I believe they are specific to the year of your vehicle). I sold all four Touring PAX Wheels and Tires on ebay for $350. The guy was local and paid cash. Easiest transaction I've ever had.
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Re: Pax Free [shipo]
by chmnj
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Dec 31, 2008 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Dec 31, 2008 9:13 am)
Well, I told the dealer I'd back out of the deal unless he went halvies with me on the cost of de-paxing the car and putting snow on it for now. So while I would have liked to have negotiated harder with them on this item, I had already squeezed them a bit on the price for some other items. They say it will take a few more days to get all the items together (08 EX rims and Blizzaks) and so I won't be able to let you know what I think of the drive till next week.
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Re: Pax Free [edwardtinsley]
by chmnj
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Dec 31, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: edwardtinsley (Nov 05, 2008 8:17 am)
Forgot to ask you: What did you sell the 4 PAX wheels and rims for? I'd like to pitch a credit to the dealer to save the hassle of trying to sell them. I saw someone said he'd sold a set on ebay for $350.
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PAX Free
by rtruns_honda
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Jan 01, 2009 (7:34 am)
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I have not noticed any deterioration of the ride. To me the ride is about the same but my snow tire setup weights in at about 50 lbs and my PAX setup is about 72 lbs. I have been reading this forum for years and do not recall one person that de-PAXED having any problems with the ride. My last visit to the Honda dealer I told them about how I had de-PAXED, while I was sitting in the waiting room the service rep introduces me to another long time PAX owner looking to stop the madness. This dealer has the equipment to service a PAX tires but still told the customs that people have successfully de-paxed.
I found one OEM shop on eBay that has claimed to have de-PAXED over 30 Odyssey’s
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/acurahondaoem_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ
If you get the van do not wait to get the spare, the cost to fix a flat PAX is about the cost of the spare.
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When Will Honda Do the Right Thing
by vinnyny
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Jan 01, 2009 (7:41 am)
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I think my Ody Touring is the best family vehicle ever made. However, I can't believe that Honda is still refusing to do anything to make right on the Pax debacle. My current Ody has 17k miles on it and I'm hoping that Honda will announce some settlement before I have to trade it when the Pax die at 35k (like I did with my 06 touring). If Honda doesn't offer free replacements, I'll trade for an American CUV or SUV and never go back...
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