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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 8:09 am) Talk about lame duck ... NY Times, April 20, 2008
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Replying to: actualsize (Jun 25, 2008 8:31 am) Honda recommends that owners who have the PAX system not change to conventional wheels. Chris Martin, a Honda spokesman, said the Touring model’s suspension was tuned for the PAX tires and switching to conventional wheels “would compromise the ride and handling.” I find that especially funny as the owners that I've talked to that have made the switch have universally stated that the "ride and handling" improved once the heavy PAX wheel and tire assembly was replaced by a conventional setup weighing less than two-thirds of the weight. Hmmm, maybe by "compromise" they mean any deviation from OEM, good or bad. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 11:51 am) In reality, any time you change a tire away from the OE, PAX or not, run-flat or not--even if you retain the same size--you are messing up the balance a little because the tires are tuned along with the springs and shocks to work together as a system. But people make tire changes all the time--they almost never buy exact OE replacements, and many times they change wheels, too--without heed, and the world has not come to an end. They buy aftermarket shocks, off-brand replacement brake pads, a different exhaust. So what? This statement form Honda, therefore, while technically containing a granule of truth, is just a bit disingenuous. "Change" is more accurate than "compromise" and while I can see how the corporation might be unwilling to publicly endorse such a move, the difference can't amount to very much. Actually, I'd love to do a test myself. |
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Replying to: actualsize (Jun 25, 2008 1:10 pm) I've yet to talk to an Odyssey owner who tracked his or her van prior to a wheel and tire swap (not terribly surprising), so I cannot report on measured improvements. That said, they've all reported a much better ride and much more precise handling. Go figure.  Best Regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 5:04 pm) Same is true of an Odyssey, but in a slightly different vein. Sure the PAX ring made it possible to retain softish-sidewalls, but the humungous unsprung mass of a PAX at each corner required more damping in the struts to keep them on the ground and forced the use of tie-rod ends with bulbous mass dampers on them. Damage control again, but for high unsprung mass instead of stiff tires. Run-flat tires of any kind impose engineering compromises that no ride engineer wants to make. |
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Collegehillshonda is working on a depax kit. Can be modular so you add what you want. The bad thing is that 05-06 models have a different type of lugnut while the 07-08 models have the traditional kind. The 07 and up lugnuts do retrofit a 2005-2006 model but it will take about 20 of them. Thats if you want an MDX wheel or an 08 non pax touring wheel.
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Replying to: smlycat (Apr 04, 2008 7:00 am) I am a Honda Odyssey 2005 owner and now needing to purchase a second set of PAX tires, with no options to purchase any other aftermarket tires -- this is ridiculous. Thanks, Gary
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Replying to: gary_mag (Jul 07, 2008 4:40 pm) http://www.collegehillshonda.com/ Best Regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 5:04 pm) |
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Replying to: dmayes (Jul 12, 2008 8:07 am)  That said, I guess you didn't get the memo, Honda says that by doing what you did, you're van is going to suffer in both the ride and the handling deparment. Personally I don't believe a word of that. Best Regards, Shipo |
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