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1468 messages, Last post on Mar 17, 2010 at 10:35 PM
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Replying to: cccompson (Apr 18, 2008 10:07 am) I do, here's one example: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef3f1cf/699
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 18, 2008 9:17 pm) Additionally, the present relevance of market conditions 18 months ago is questionable at best. Just ask..most any homeowner.
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Replying to: cccompson (Apr 18, 2008 10:04 pm) Given that PAX has finally been certified as a bankrupt technology, that problem is only likely to get worse as Michelin gradually decreases the number of PAX tires they make. I look at it this way, one of our vans is ten years old, and I can buy a full set of tires for it for less than $500 out the door. How much is it going to cost an owner of a PAX Ody for a set of tires in ten years? I'm thinking a lot. 
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Replying to: fountane (Apr 17, 2008 12:15 am) The Michelin PAX tires use a support ring mounted on the wheel inside the tire to support the weight of the car when air pressure is lost. And a unique rim-tire flange design to prevent the tires from coming off the rim. Regards, JEff |
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Replying to: cccompson (Apr 17, 2008 2:02 pm) Did your quote include new rings and gel packs? If not, then pump up your quote an extra $90 or so per wheel. You won't find out you need the rings until the tires are already removed from the rims. Then, the dealer will probably have to special order the rings, but that should only set you back 2-3 days without your van. Hopefully, your dealer will lend you a nice Civic to tote your family around in while you wait for the rings. If not, then you'll have to rent yourself a family hauler and add in the cost... The market may have changed since I last did the research in November, but the lowest price I found within 100 miles of my home in VA was roughly $1200 for a set of four without new rings. Only two PAX dealers actually had the tires in stock and neither had the rings. Although I agree with the basic concept of the PAX system, the implementation of the program was horrible: insufficient supply, insufficient support network and much higher than advertised costs. When one throws in outright lying by most dealers regarding those issues, the program borders on criminal.
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Replying to: vinnyny (Apr 20, 2008 5:40 am) But your larger point is quite valid. The fact that one may or may not need expensive extra parts when buying tires is unbelieveable and will, no doubt, eventually play a key role in PAX litigation that will in the end cost Honda and Michelin plenty.
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Replying to: cccompson (Apr 20, 2008 5:09 pm) |
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Just posting my flat tire story for those interested in this tire system. Simple nail got stuck in my tire on a Friday night. Drove car home 5 miles, and started calling around on Sat. morning. Found an America's Tire Company that would be able to repair the tire for roughly $80 labor. Drove car 30 miles to this shop... Apparently driving 30 miles on the tire heated up the gel inside and dried it up. The tire was no longer repairable, and I needed a new one. Waited 2 days for new tire to be delivered. To Michelon's credit.. they covered the $199 for my tire after the tire dealer called them up and explained what happened, and I just had to pay the labor of $80. The whole system is just an inconvenience... I'm lucky to live in an area where it only cost me 2 days without my car. With this PAX system now an option in the 08 Honda Oddessy model, I don't think the situation will get any better for those looking for more michelon pax certified tire centers.
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Replying to: dpatel1 (Jun 25, 2008 8:59 am) Agreed, now that the PAX system is effectively a Lame Duck, I'd be suprised if any additional tire dealers or Acura/Honda dealerships invest in the necessary equipment to service them. I strongly suspect that as time goes on, and as more folks convert their vans to GFT style tires, finding services for PAX vans will become a bit sketchy. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 9:09 am) Talk about lame duck ... NY Times, April 20, 2008
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