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#1 of 1439 Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans by steve_ HOST Nov 29, 2004 (7:27 pm)
Run-flat tires on the family hauler:   Good idea - no getting stranded on the freeway with the kiddos.   Bad idea - hard to find replacements on vacation trips (and more expensive than regular tires).   Your ideas?   Steve, Host Replies to this message: ceo1 (Nov 29, 2004 9:48 pm) gkkim (Dec 01, 2004 5:04 pm) heywood1 (Dec 01, 2004 7:26 pm) gkkim (Dec 02, 2004 9:29 am) mleonardo (Dec 30, 2005 6:57 pm) user777 (Jan 04, 2006 9:42 am) mleonardo (Jan 20, 2006 8:18 pm) mcase2 (Jan 08, 2006 7:39 am) toombaru (Jan 17, 2006 8:02 pm) cccompson (Jan 18, 2006 4:19 pm) cless (May 17, 2006 10:56 pm) and 1 more...
#2 of 1439 Self Sealing by samnoe Nov 29, 2004 (7:55 pm)
I don't have experience about others, but I have my Windstar with self sealing tires, which is better for some reasons. It seals itself completely and you can continue driving forever, unlike the other which gives you just 125 or 150 miles and then you need to replace the tire completely, which takes time and money (except for the Ody in the first 2 years it's free).   My tires was very good, but not lasted long. I have just replaced my 2 front tires at 30,000 miles, since there was almost no thread and is not ready for the winter (and everyday driving too).   And I think most Ford dealers do stock them, so if any problem, you can have it right away. And unlike PAX system, you can put any other compatible tire on the wheels.   The downside is - comparing to the run-flats or PAX - that the self sealing will help you for a small puncture only, a nail, for example, or a small piece of glass, etc. but if it's a bigger hole, it will not protect you. That's where PAX and run flats advantages are, imo. Replies to this message: attilauy (Dec 01, 2004 9:22 pm)
#3 of 1439 Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [steve_] by ceo1 Nov 29, 2004 (9:48 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 29, 2004 7:27 pm) The only reason that Toyota has run-flat on Sienna AWD is because there is no room for spare. It is not a upgrade or improvement. The "stranded with kids" argument is a red herring. For the cost and hassle of the run-flat, I am perfectly willing to spend the time to put on the spare.
#4 of 1439 Just two words about PAX: by vcheng Dec 01, 2004 (9:54 am)
BAD IDEA!
#5 of 1439 deal breakers for me by carguy1234 Dec 01, 2004 (9:59 am)
Now that I got used to Nokian WR's on my '01 Sienna, there is no way I'd switch to PAX or the Toyota run-flats. The winter ability I suspect will be compromised with those tires. If I end up buying one of these vans, I'll probably get a non run-flat model and switch to Nokians.
#6 of 1439 PAX by a_l_hubcaps Dec 01, 2004 (2:02 pm)
The problem with the PAX tires on the Honda Odyssey is that they fit 17.5" wheels, which is a size that nobody has ever made before or since. This means that if the tires turn out to be problematic and you want to switch to regular tires, you will have to change the wheels, too. Anybody who owned a midsize Ford from 1979 or 1980 probably remembers the metric-tire debacle, which had the same result. Unorthodox wheel sizes on mainstream vehicles are a BAD idea.   -Andrew L Replies to this message: trashman3 (Dec 02, 2004 12:07 pm) heywood1 (Dec 02, 2004 3:15 pm)
#7 of 1439 Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [steve_] by gkkim Dec 01, 2004 (5:04 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 29, 2004 7:27 pm) Got this van because the wife had trouble changing tires to go to work the last time around. At least with the van she can "limp" to work.   If you had one flat, a donut spare may help get you 50 miles or so at 25-35 mph? The pax will hopefully (if you're on a major freeway) get you some where within the 125 mile radius at 50-55 mph. Much safer than driving slow or trying to change the driver side tire on a freeway.   ... And what if you had two flats running hard over a large rock/pothole? Happened to me once at 2:00 AM returning home from a fishing trip. Had to wait around for the tow truck! Dunno yet, but wondering if one can run on two flat pax as well.... Hmmm.... Anyone try that yet?   Support is sparse now. Hoping Michelin and Honda pick it up and start putting these wheels on other models. Maybe too much of a chance to just slap it on the Accord. Replies to this message: heywood1 (Dec 01, 2004 7:26 pm) gkkim (Dec 02, 2004 9:29 am)
#8 of 1439 Re: Run-flat, self-sealing, PAX tires for Minivans [gkkim] by heywood1 Dec 01, 2004 (7:26 pm)
Replying to: gkkim (Dec 01, 2004 5:04 pm) Wait until you get to you Honda dealer with your two flats, and they only have one PAX 'Hat Box.' Replies to this message: gkkim (Dec 02, 2004 9:29 am)
#9 of 1439 Re: Self Sealing [samnoe] by attilauy Dec 01, 2004 (9:22 pm)
Replying to: samnoe (Nov 29, 2004 7:55 pm) What brand of self sealing tire do you have? I had Uniroyal and Bridgestone before on my two old 95 Maximas. Bridgestone was a better tire overall compared with Uniroyal. I never had flat tire even with several nails on both brands. However, they discontinued making both types of tires. I want to replace the tires of my '02 Maxima. What brand is still available?
#10 of 1439 PAX is the worst of all by impact01 Dec 02, 2004 (6:44 am)
The worst: Nonstandard PAX system with no spare bad: Runflats with No spare ok: Regular Tires (self sealing or otherwise) with donut spare best: Regular tires with full size spare   My Opinion of course.

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