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#737 of 2364 Re: Drove the Passat Value Edition--My dilema [rwatson]
Sep 08, 2005 (4:27 am)
You're preaching to the choir - I've owned 5 VWs over 25 years:
1975 Scirocco (250,000 miles)
1987 Golf GT (624,000 miles)
1997 Jetta Trek (Just turned 149,000 miles)
2003 Wolfsburg Jetta (Just turned 56,000 miles)
2003 Passat GLS 1.8T (wife's car - Just turned 36,000 miles)
I wouldn't continue to drive these cars if they were junk. As long as you keep up with the maintenance, these cars will give you driving enjoyment for years - I'm living proof of that...
#738 of 2364 Re: Drove the Passat Value Edition--My dilema [600kgolfgt]
Sep 08, 2005 (4:47 am)
I know, it was a joke.
#739 of 2364 2006 Passat: Best Car I have ever owned..so far.
Sep 08, 2005 (6:49 am)
I recently purchased a 2006 Passat 2.0T for a great price and have nothing but great things to say about it thus far. This is my first Volkswagen and my first German car. I have owned a variety of cars in the past from Camaro's to Mustangs, Honda's, Ford Explorer, Grand Prix's...but they don't even compare to the engineering behind the 06 Passat. I love this car and have no complaints about it. I think VW did a great job witht he redesign and now have a new lifetime customer...once you get a taste of German engineering..you can never go back!!! I am hooked.
#740 of 2364 Re: 2006 Passat: Best Car I have ever owned..so far. [vwdriver2]
Sep 08, 2005 (8:05 am)
Congratulations!!! Welcome to the Volkswagen Family!!!
#741 of 2364 Re: 2006 Passat: Best Car I have ever owned..so far. [vwdriver2]
Sep 08, 2005 (8:11 am)
You said it - you JUST bought the car. Perhaps in five years you'll say the same thing. I certainly hope so.
Every new generation of those cars I get excited. Unfortunately, further analysis always strips the enthusiasm: too expensive, too dicey in terms of reliability. Numbers don't lie and they say that VW is currently at the very bottom (and by far) of the industry with both initial and close to bottom with mid-term quality. It is closely followed by MB. Even the greatest car with best gadgets stops being a car when it sits a a shop.... Until they clear the bottom, I will do just that: get excited and not buy at the end...
#742 of 2364 Had several VW's over the years and many Audis. . .
Sep 08, 2005 (11:32 am)
. . .the issues of the naysayers are often the same.
VW's drive like, uh, German cars -- this, for some of us, beats the heck out of the driving experience of cars from other countries.
Sticks and stones, I say, sticks and stones.
One point: 130MPH limiters ARE indeed due to the market. The US market doesn't like summer tires and winter tires. It seems to like all season tires.
Sure, UHP all season tires are offered by most of the biggie tire companies -- and although they are compromises, they do perform better than non-UPH all season tires and some will even outperform certain summer tires.
Audi, for instance, used to put UHP summer only tires on its cars. I believe VW did too. The result, generally, cars that handled great, had short tire life and "issues" in the winter.
Solution for the "different" American operational style: High Performance (not UHP) all season tires of increasingly lower profile but with: low noise and long tread life (relatively speaking.) These tires were not as sticky and the sidewalls flex a bit more, but they are at least 25,000 mile tires -- perhaps 35,000 mile tires or better. They are not unsafe, but they can be used pretty much year round. And, H rated means 130mph is OK.
We get what we ask for -- even if we say we want something different.
#743 of 2364 Re: Drove the Passat Value Edition--My dilema [rwatson]
Sep 08, 2005 (11:44 am)
BTW...I am not basing my information on VW reliability by what I read. I happen to own an Audi A4, and although I LOVE the car, it has had quite a bit of little annoying problems. In my 20 years of driving I've never been to a dealership more than what I did with my A4. I agree with the notion of driving what you love, but if it goes along with one of the things that most people hate ie. dealing with a car dealer's service dept. you start weighing your options.
It will still come down to the wire with me, I do like how the TSX drives, but the Passat does pull at my heart strings.
#744 of 2364 Re: Had several VW's over the years and many Audis. . . [markcincinnati]
Sep 08, 2005 (12:03 pm)
"Audi, for instance, used to put UHP summer only tires on its cars. I believe VW did too."
Audi still does, at least on the Sport Package for the A3. Even so, said A3 is saddled with a 130 mph governor. The question is, "Should we really care?"
I have to admit that it annoyed me that my 530i SP had the same governor, however, given that I picked the car up in Germany I at least had a chance to push the car much higher, errr, would have if it hadn't had said limiter. Grrr. Once I got the car over here in the States I never even came close to 120 much less 130 so it was pretty much a moot point. Do I care that the potential A3 in my future might could well have a 130 mph limit? Nope, not in the least.
#745 of 2364 Re: Drove the Passat Value Edition--My dilema [speedracer3]
Sep 08, 2005 (2:57 pm)
Gee, why do I always open these cans of worms? Why, I haven't seen anything calling VW at the bottom of the reliability food chain. Don't let my car hear that or it may break. Seriously, I live over 100 miles from the nearest VW dealership. It's all I can do to go in and have the regularly scheduled services completed, and do my own oil changes when the scheduled service is nothing more than a change. Why in God's green little world would I subject myself, my family and my own sanity to this way of living if it was at the bottom of the reliability food chain? Kinda dumb. Numbers, numbers, numbers. Here's what you do:
1. Open the owner's manual.
2. Check out those numbers, especially the ones pertaining to services.
3. Follow the instructions carefully.
4. Understand German engineering is different. It gets a little elaborate. I guess it has something to do with the German psych. I don't know. What ever it is, needs to be maintained by competent hands. When this is done, the requirements of what was supposed to have been read, understood and followed have been met and you may be in the same boat as I am. I refuse to trade a VW in on anything other than a VW. In the last 10 years, I have never lived closer that 80 miles to any VW dealership (I used to move alot) and have never had to visit them more than twice for anything other than factory service. The past 10 years! Three cars in a row. those two times? My window choked in my Old Jetta -- Out of service, but repaired free anyway because they know anything else would be wrong. The other time was my coils on the newer Jetta -- Done, free again under warranty, but is a recall anyway. Seems Toyota is having problems with their steering now. Gee, you going to label them at the bottom now? I would. The bottom of the appeal food chain maybe.
#746 of 2364 Great test drive of the Passat 2.0T, but...
Sep 08, 2005 (3:14 pm)
I currently own a 2004 Acura TSX but I just test drove the Passat 2.0T and found it to be a great car from an engine, ride, handling and price perspective. But I have issues with the option packaging, especially when I am used to all the amenities that come standard with the TSX.
You can't get the true luxury package option in the 2.0T that you have available with the VW's 3.6 six-cylinder engine. No wood trim, powerseats, Homelink, etc. is available with the 2.0, as I understand it. The "power" in the seats of the 2.0 luxury package is the recline only, everything else is a handpump, like a barber's chair. The 2.0T engine is more than most people will need - it spools up fast. I don't need the 3.6's much higher cost, lower mileage and higher insurance bills. Why VW didn't make the same options available at the 2.0T level is a mystery to me. VW may have been trying to force consumers to take the higher engine, but they will lose additional business instead, from people like me that see the value in the 2.0 but are used to certain interior comforts.