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#487 of 2364 Re: Thinking About a 2005 Passat [dewey]
Jul 28, 2005 (4:13 pm)
The term I have been using for years is "breathtakingly expensive."
And this is no confession -- further, this is not Audi/VW specific in any way.
Although it was a badge of honor, one of my former employees had an Acura that had 118,000 miles on it.
He owned it.
He paid about the same per month for a 1997 Acura "care and feeding" as I did to lease a new, at the time, Audi which included maintenance.
I am certain there are formulas and algorithms and ratios and stuff that can prove or disprove either point, but given a choice of a PERMANENT monthly payment of $500 and always having a car that was less than three years old vs a payment to maintain a 1997 Rolls Canhardly, I would opt for keeping current technology.
Now, to those who have 100,000+ miles on their fully paid for cars that have only gas, oil, tires, insurance and plates -- to drain their wallets, I say "congratulations."
Eventually, I will win something in the lottery too.
I have never claimed I thought maintaining European cars (and others as far as I know, too) was anything less than "breathtakingly expensive."
I don't make enough money to keep my cars out of warranty.
Moreover, the technology is so rapidly changing, I like and want "young" rides.
To each his own.
Ooops, clarification. I do not mean to suggest that each and every month my employee's Acura required $500 in maintenance.
When the ABS needed repairs it was $3,000. Then when the starter, battery and some other electrical problem required attention it was a few hundred bucks.
Then nothing happened for a few months. Then the transmission had a shifting issue, then the power close doors stopped working and then. . .
One year, the maintenance was perhaps $8,000, the next year perhaps it was $3 or 4 thousand. The point is, the costs at some point in time mean that you are paying hefty amounts to keep an old car running. An issue then arose: "is the car reliable enough for my trek from Cincinnati to Detroit?" Then he would rent a car rather than "risk" the four hour+ drive.
My dad used to keep cars until the above scenario came true -- but he felt he was being frugal and financially sound.
Of course my dad would drive to a town ten miles away to buy $2 worth of gas (when gas was $.35 gallon).
There is a certain "depression" influenced mind set -- I am not saying it is wrong or right, it is different than some of the alternatives, however.
Keeping a VW more than 4 years is an invitation to spend spend spend on at some point what becomes "an old car" when the same money would allow the owner to be in a much newer and hopefully better auto.
Jul 28, 2005 (6:04 pm)
100,000 trouble free miles is hardly like winning the lottery. It is the norm with cars these days.
#489 of 2364 Re: Thinking About a 2005 Passat [markcincinnati]
Jul 28, 2005 (6:17 pm)
Well here is my theory:
The biggest expense for most car owners is depreciation! Not maintenance, insurance or gas consumption. The only way you can reduce depreciation is by prolonging car ownership . As long as maintenace costs are not out of control it is definitely worth keeping your car. I am speaking from my own experience!
I keep my cars for at least 7 to 10 years. In fact my wife drives a 83 MB300D that my father bought 23 years ago. My sister-in-law still drives my mother's 86 Audi 4000s. So far all of us still have enough money in our piggy bank!
Why? Depends on who is servicing your car! I have a competent/honest independent mechanic and so far my 7 year old 99 BMW323 has a service record that can out-Lexus any Lexus!
My wife's MB300D should be in the Guiness Book of World Records for the lowest depreciation/maintenance costs annualized!
As you said, to each their own!
#490 of 2364 Re: Ummm..have you guys seen the pricing for this new car... [ivan_99]
Jul 28, 2005 (7:37 pm)
I drove by a VW dealership a few weeks ago and they had signs saying something like $7500 off the Touaregs. Some really astoundingly high discount.
So they're not selling that well?
How well have the V6 Passats sold? What has been their price range? Do the new models represent a big leap in price?
#491 of 2364 Re: Ummm..have you guys seen the pricing for this new car... [wco81]
Jul 28, 2005 (7:56 pm)
7500...wow…I’d be there; wait no 3rd row…
Not sure about V6 Passats. I don’t think the price increase for a V6 with 4Motion is all that large considering the increase in standard equipment (including hp).
I seriously considered a Phaeton lease. They were REALLY low but alas, the car did not fit my needs…temping though.
#492 of 2364 Re: Ummm..have you guys seen the pricing for this new car... [ivan_99]
Jul 28, 2005 (8:28 pm)
7500...wow…I’d be there; wait no 3rd row...
It's a shame that VW does not offer a minivan or 3 row SUV. But I think that's been discussed on another thread.
#493 of 2364 Re: Ummm..have you guys seen the pricing for this new car... [wco81]
Jul 28, 2005 (10:15 pm)
$7,500 off Touraegs? I'm willing to bet that you'd find leftover 2005 V6s if you went and asked- units they want to clear out so there's room for 2006s units. We bought an 8-cylinder Touraeg in May of this year and we ended up having to pay near sticker. And that's after we compared 5 different dealers including ones that were 2 hours from the house. VW does do really good lease deals though.
Jul 29, 2005 (4:50 am)
Let's try to stick to discussing the Passat, please!
#495 of 2364 Finally got a look at one...
Jul 29, 2005 (9:10 am)
Last night before closing I stopped by the VW store and got a look see. Nice, but expensive. The build quality is as always on a VW product great.....but the car looks kinda stubby compared to the previous Passat. Car and Driver said something about the wheelbase being a few inches short causing it to look like that, hmmm. I like the interior, its like a baby Phaeton. The seats, gaugest and room are perfect to (for) me. Now I just need to see the price for the average V6 model.....if it has a single option it will be 33K or so it seems. I don't know about VW's strategy here, seems very risky for a company that says they want volume. Its a fine car, but the 2.0t models I look at last night were 28K or so....very pricey.
#496 of 2364 Re: Finally got a look at one... [merc1]
Jul 29, 2005 (10:15 am)
The Passat is very much over priced. Yes, it is bigger than the Jetta but it seems to lack some of the features of the 2005.5 Jetta. Didn't see dual A/C controls for 1 and at a price of 30k+