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You are in the Chevrolet Cobalt
What is this discussion about?
Chevrolet Cobalt, Ford Focus, Sedan
Jun 12, 2005 (1:34 am)
gmoudy - go to iihs.org or nhtsa.gov
explorex4 - I'm sure someone in an explorer has killed someone in just about every car out there, don't single out the Cobalt.
ambull - I didn't really understand that comparison. The base Cobalt is not meant to compete with the Corolla XRS or the Focus ST. It competes with the regular Corolla and the regular Focus. If they're going to take the top of the line 'sport' models of these cars, why not use the Cobalt SS? If there is no sport-sedan version of the Cobalt, why include it, just makes it look bad.
#28 of 76 Re: Title goes here [muffin_man]
Jun 12, 2005 (6:50 am)
They didn't compare the base Cobalt; they compared an LT I believe. They didn't do an SS because it's a coupe and they were comparing sedans. They compared the sportiest Cobalt sedan available. They didn't compare any Civics because none were sporty enough, so maybe they should have excluded the Cobalt too, but left it in because it is a new model.
The sportiest model would be the 2006 SS? sedan with the forthcoming 2.4 Ecotech, but that's not available yet.
#29 of 76 Re: Title goes here [muffin_man]
Jun 12, 2005 (12:35 pm)
i wasn't trying to single out the cobalt. i just happened to see a story in the paper about the acccident. a 4 star rating for any car of that class does not buy you much safety.
Jun 12, 2005 (2:13 pm)
ambull - They should have left it out. The LT is and has always been a 'luxury' trim. There is nothing sporty about the car, it does not compete with those other cars - it shouldn't have been in the competition
exporerx4 - Even a 5-star rating doesn't buy you much safety against a 4500+ pound truck. It's very unfortunate.
#31 of 76 Ford Focus ZX5 vs. Kia Spectra SX
Jun 13, 2005 (7:26 am)
As a 54 year old male who does minimal driving, I am trying to decide on whether to purchase a Ford Focus ZX5 ($16,800) or a Kia Spectra SX (14,800). I have narrowed my choices down to TWO vehicles. According to Consumer Reports, the Ford Focus is rated number one, whereas the Kia Spectra is "out of contention" due to poor crash results . Owners of the Kia Spectra have said the car suffers from "nose plow" when braking, as well as "understeer" and a noisy engine at highway speeds. I tried BOTH vehicles and found that the Focus had a better seating position, but cheap looking interior materials. The Spectra's interior looked superior and the handling felt similar to the Focus, even though it had a much lower stance. This is a difficult decision. I also drove the Mazda3 but ruled it out because I found the seats were as hard as concrete. I tried the Cobalt and those seats were the same. The most comfortable seats are in the Focus and the Spectra. Because of Kia's poor history and "pooh poohing" from the auto industry, I am reluctant to purchase one, plus I have never seen one on the road. Even the salesperson at KIA told me the car was a hard sell. Could someone please offer some advice and suggestion to help me make my final choice? Are both cars silly looking for a 54 year old male? One added piece of info . . Kia and Ford are both conveniently located near my home.
#32 of 76 Re: Ford Focus ZX5 vs. Kia Spectra SX [huntley]
Jun 13, 2005 (8:47 am)
Hi - welcome! I think the Low End Sedans is the best place of three you posted for this conversation, so let me ask those who would like to respond to continue at this link: huntley, "Low End Sedans" #3137, 13 Jun 2005 11:38 am.
#33 of 76 Re: Cobalt and Cavalier? [brookesmithey]
Jul 14, 2005 (8:01 pm)
I disagree brookesmithey. I own a Cobalt LS and if you look at it from the side it resembles a cavalier. From the back it looks nothing like a cavalier but the side and possibly the front definatly has some aspects of a cavy.
#34 of 76 Re: Colbalt vs. Focus vs. others [dieselg4]
Aug 06, 2005 (5:30 pm)
The Chevy Cobalt is a much much better car than the Ford Focus or the Mazda 3, It has a heck of alot more power than the Mazda 3 or the Ford Focus. I know this because I have gone head to head with each car. The cobalt not only took both cars off the line but stayed ahead of them the whole time. The styling is far superior that of the Focus or the 3. I have also driven the focus which sits way to high and does not handle as well as the Cobalt.
#35 of 76 Re: Colbalt vs. Focus vs. others [spchampton]
Aug 08, 2005 (5:31 am)
Huh? How do you figure?
Here are a few stats and comments from Car & Driver magazine regarding your Cobalt and my Mazda3:
Cobalt: 2.2-liter, DOHC 16-valve inline four with twin balance shafts: 145 hp
Mazda3: 2.3-liter, DOHC, 16-valve inline four with twin balance shafts and variable valve timing: 160 hp
Cobalt, 0-60 mph: 8.4
Mazda3, 0-60 mph: 7.4
(Both had manual transmissions)
And acceleration isn't everything. What did C&D think of that old-fashioned twist-beam rear axle in the Cobalt?
"Still, extra body roll and softer helm responses—there's a reason twist-beam axles aren't on F1 cars—mean less entertainment for the Cobalt driver than for drivers in some other value cars, notably the Focus and Mazda 3."
Some other stats they measured:
Braking, 70-0 mph impending lockup:
Cobalt, 188 ft
Mazda3, 169 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad:
Cobalt, 0.77 g
Mazda3, 0.87 g
Now, get an SS and maybe we'll have something here -- but keep in mind that it's no longer in the same pricing league as the Mazda3 -- C&D reports the base price of the Cobalt SS is $21,995, and the SS it tested had a sticker of $24,560. My 2005 Mazda3s hatch had a sticker of just over $17.5K.
I guess the moral to the story is, bring some numbers with you next time. There are too many variables in traffic-light drag races (including a big one -- the honesty of the reporting party) for them to be very reputable against actual measurements taken by the automotive press under much more controlled conditions with people who know how to drive cars.
P.S. Styling is very subjective. But since you went there, we had a '95 Cavalier in our driveway for five years and the Cobalt looks WAY too much like it 10 years later.
#36 of 76 One other question ...
Aug 09, 2005 (6:44 am)
Were you "racing" a 3i or a 3s? Do you know the difference?