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Toyota Supra, Coupe
Jan 10, 2006 (10:53 pm)
I may not've said it here, but I have read a quote from Danny Clements, about 18 months ago, stating that Toyota had a choice in making a new vehicle for their brand, a youthful, hip SUV, or to resurrect the Mighty Supra.
Hello FJ Cruiser!
In a perfect world, the Supra would replace the Land Cruiser in the lineup, as having the FJ (according to Toyota, the most capable off-raoder they produce) and Land Cruiser is somewhat redundant.
Toyota doesn't even offer a $20k sports coupe, that's a hint. Try getting a Solara with a stick!
With the success of the Scion tC, Toyota may realize, by 2010, that there is a nice market for a sporty Toyota. I've driven the tC, and it is no sports car, but a quality car. Celica was a secretary's car, 'cept for the All-Trac.
If the '93 arrived in 1990, aaginst the '90 300ZX, it would've been LS400 vs. Q45 all over again.
It's time to let this dream go guys ("I just keep having this dream!"). We all have to wake up, and find new heroes.
I'm backing the Evo X, myself. Hopefully, Mitsu is still solvent in 2 years. And they also don't go SMG.
#125 of 299 Re: Someone call me? [callmedrfill]
Jan 11, 2006 (6:26 am)
"I've driven the tC, and it is no sports car, but a quality car."
I've driven the tC too, and it was no Celica (particularly compared to my GTS). I really, really wanted to like the tC. No dice for me.
"It's time to let this dream go guys"
Yep. Afraid you're right. See you around, Toyota......
#126 of 299 just look at all the
Jan 11, 2006 (9:11 am)
sporty, and seriously FAST, small or medium-size cars that are out there now or going to be in the next year or two - Mustang, reborn Camaro, Challenger, on the Japanese side the STi, the Evo, the next-gen Skyline that will actually make it here (yessss!), Eclipse (if a bit too porky), new SI from Honda, and on it goes.
Against this backdrop, Toyota has NOTHING AT ALL to compete. No, tC doesn't count, I have driven it, a decent car yes, but such a pale replacement for the Celica it doesn't even count, especially not among that group of cars I just mentioned.
This is by far the biggest hole in the Toyota line-up these days. The Land Cruiser has been over-luxed to the point of extinction, which it will probably become at the next revamp. I say kill it but keep an LX for the Lexus set, and produce a really worthy sporty car instead. Make it four doors if you have to, but make it a Toyota.
#127 of 299 Re: just look at all the [nippononly]
Jan 11, 2006 (1:08 pm)
I've switched flags to Mazda. Sorry Toyota. 'Loved the Tercel, but that was back in the day of the Corolla GT-S, MR2, Celica, and Supra. Looks like I joined the workforce a several years too late.
But then, the last Celica, MRS, and IS300 didn't sell a whole lot. It may be that only specialized manufacturers can afford to go for such a small market. Or financially unwise ones. Are people like us relevant?
#128 of 299 Re: just look at all the [carlisimo]
Jan 11, 2006 (1:53 pm)
"Are people like us relevant?"
Well, I think I'm pretty relevant.
And yeah, as far as the imports go, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Mazda. Their new Kabura (sp?) concept looks like the spiritual successor to my Celica GTS, with the added bonus of being RWD. And the RX-8 could easily be my next car (although the rotary is a bit thirsty for the amount of torque it generates).
I can't say at this time I've definitely switched flags to Mazda (I've got a soft spot for the Mustang and the Camaro concept looks really appetizing to me), but it definitely ain't Toyota anymore.
Jan 11, 2006 (3:03 pm)
Here are pictures of what the next Supra may look like :
If this is found to be true, that's great ! That car is so good looking ! ">
#130 of 299 Re: just look at all the [carlisimo]
Jan 12, 2006 (11:44 am)
We are relevant, but we are NOT the mass market. Toyota is mass market to the EXTREME these days. And I have to admit, that is a philosophy that has served them VERY well financially speaking.
Not to mention, "sportiness" is mostly something manufacturers advertise to sell cars, even as they dumb those cars down for the American market.
Mazda is one of the few manufacturers that doesn't do this, and look how they got punished (in sales) for it with the Mazda6.
Jan 12, 2006 (4:43 pm)
It looks a lot like the latest Celica from the front, IMO....
#132 of 299 Re: New Supra ! [lexi4life]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:24 pm)
Could you maybe show a link to the pictures? They show up as broken links in your post. Thanks!
#133 of 299 Re: New Supra ! [prguy77]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:52 pm)
If I did, it would get you to another forum and I think that giving links to other forums is prohibited... Sorry.