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Toyota Prius, Honda Accord, Lexus RX 400h, Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan, SUV
#58 of 723 My Prius at 107k
Dec 23, 2004 (11:15 am)
I bought a used 2001 prius about a year ago when it was at 92k miles. So far I have come to know from the dealer is that the fuel pump(?) was replaced by the original owner. The tires were not what is recommended, instead it had tires with specs close to the one used. Other than that the one problem bugging me is the screeching sound from the right side (front) of the car on cold mornings when I go over a bump or a hole. I thought the noise may be from the shock absorber, but the toyota dealer service guys says it may mostly be due to the aging of the rack and pinion system - replacing which will cost me about 5K or more. But if I can do without that then there won't be any problems except the steering will get harder to turn with age.....they wanted to run a full computer test to check it out, but I haven't had the time. The other problem is the expensive tyres. If I go for Prius specs then it costs me a 100 bucks a tyre. Besides that the car still is averaging 41.8 miles/gallon.
#59 of 723 Re: My Prius at 107k [p3oz]
Dec 23, 2004 (12:08 pm)
aging of the rack and pinion system - replacing which will cost me about 5K or more.
Again I would say that is the dealers horrible markup on parts and labor. If you live in a town that is large enough, there should be a competent mechanic that is familiar with Toyota. He may not know all the ins & outs of the Prius yet, but he could probably get the computer diagnostics software and figure it out. My wife just had her 1990 LS400 into the dealer for the last time. He charged her $109 to change oil, filter and routine check. He had a list of about $5k dollars worth of needed repairs. We took it to this Lexus shop and he did all the work that was needed for $1,100. Two of the items were not bad. That included new ball joint, valve covers and pan gaskets, the fuel sending unit. He used to work in a dealership and said Lexus usually doubles the MSRP price on parts. Once your warranty is up on a car you need to find a competent mechanic. The dealers want to make it as expensive as they can to convince you that a new car is a better option...
#60 of 723 Re: My Prius at 107k [p3oz]
Dec 23, 2004 (12:13 pm)
If I go for Prius specs then it costs me a 100 bucks a tyre. Besides that the car still is averaging 41.8 miles/gallon.
Many people changed tires to improve the handling. It will cost you a couple MPG. If you are in a cold place 41.8 mpg is probably not bad for the winter time. Lousy winter gas blend. I would get a second opinion on that front end it could leave you stranded at an inconvenient time and place.
#61 of 723 Re: My Prius at 107k [p3oz]
Dec 23, 2004 (10:11 pm)
The original Bridgestone RE92 can be had from Tire Rack for about $55 ea. Make sure to get the XL rated ones. However, the original Bridgestones are generally hated by most "classic" Prius owners for their short lifespan and mediocre handling.
As for your steering problem, there was a recall on the electric power steering rack on many early Priuses. Your dealer should check your VIN and see if the rack was replaced under the recall. Some of us also received a warranty extension note on the steering rack removing the mileage limitation.
My experience as an owner of a 2002 Prius is that Toyota has done an excellent job standing behind the model and have gone out of their way to ensure a positive experience for the owner. I think this is because they realized early on that the Prius buyer may not be a customer who has dealt with Toyota in the past and they wanted to make a good first impression...
#62 of 723 Re: Re Prius or Honda owners suffer from any of this ? [rfruth]
Dec 24, 2004 (9:25 am)
"Have you have these problems?"
I own a Honda Insight.
NO. 1) recessed or "concealed" windshield wipers that freeze and can't be freed because the hood is in the way
NO. 2) pantograph windshield wipers that can't be lifted away from the glass
NO. 3) "switchblade" keys that eventually break and cost over $100 to replace
NO. 4) cupholders that only hold small drinks
NO. 5) cupholders that let cups tip easily
NO(no cd). 6) locking glovebox right below CD changer that doesn't lock
YES. 7) plastic shields and covers in the engine compartment that don't protect anything
YES. 9) oil filter mounting positions that dribble oil all over the place when changing filters
NO. 10) tiny print on switches, knobs, and levers
NO. 11) spare tire wells that won't fit full-size spares
NO. 12) power antennas
NO. 13) wheels held on by bolts instead of studs and nuts
NO. 14) 12v power outlets that you have to open an ashtray to access
Hope that satisfies you.
May 16, 2005 (11:25 am)
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Thanks for your consideration,
#66 of 723 NY TImes debunks Toyota SUV hybrids
Aug 07, 2005 (8:14 pm)
Last Friday I was about a week away from committing to one dealer or another to get a Highlander Hybrid. Then a friend called me from his vacation to intervene, because he had just read a couple of NY Times articles saying that both the Lexus and Highlander Hybrids get only a couple of miles per gallon more than their gas-only forebearers (both vehicles in the low- to mid-20s-mpg [considerably less than the EPA projections] ), and thus are not worth spending all that extra $ for. I found the Lexus article online, but apparently the Highlander one was in print only, which I have yet to see.
So: do you know anything about this? Is it true that the Highlander Hybrid gets scarcely better mileage than the gas-only model? If so, do you think that makes it not worth getting? Owners, what are your experiences?
#67 of 723 Re: NY TImes debunks Toyota SUV hybrids [downthehighway]
Aug 07, 2005 (8:29 pm)
Be sure and visit the hybrid Highlander thread. You will find a mixed bag on mileage. The only site I know of that keeps track of hybrid mileage has an average of 25 MPG combined. 11 owners are reporting from 19 to 29 MPG.
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