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Toyota Prius, Honda Accord, Lexus RX 400h, Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan, SUV
#531 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [michael_mattox]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:04 am)
Your responses are civil, thanks. I didn't come over here to push Lincolns, that's for sure. I don't think I even mentioned them until your birdman looked at my profile. (He's since been over to a Lincoln forum posting a nice big TROLL post.) I originally followed another of your posters over here after he made a sort of a troll post in the Navigator forum.
In any case, I've certainly learned a lot about hybrids while here. As I said when I first came in, I actually considered and drove the Civic hybrid a couple months ago when I was in the market. I found it was just way too underpowered for me. Maybe I should have driven the Accord:>) The Prius is another story. Too many problems being reported, especially ones that could cause serious injury (dying on the road). I think it's a step in the right direction, but I'm not going to be a first adopter guinea pig for Toyota. Just MHO.
On the fire thing, pre-2003 Navs have been recalled along wth other Fords which used a certain type cruise control setup that apparently could get too hot and cause underhood fires. Haven't actually heard of it happening to a Navigator and haven't heard of any total burn ups due to it, but will give your folks a touche for reminding me of it.
Lastly, you all seem to have an almost surreal faith in Toyota that I find somewhat troubling. Toyota certainly has a reputation for building quality cars. But what is the company's long term goal? Is it good for the American consumer? the American worker? Do they play 'fair' in the global marketplace? Are they treated fairly or with kid-gloves by the "American" media? What will happen if they beat GM into the ground? What will happen if (when) a large number of hybrids have expensive failures? I alluded to drug pushers above and that's kinda what this is like to me - Toyota has a product that it wants badly to succeed - the hybrid technology. So early expensive failures are paid for by the company to keep customer good will and 'Hook' you on their product. But later, when you want more and more, well now you gotta PAY, just like an addict. I have my doubts about long term ownership of one of these cars. That's just MHO. Good luck to you all. Wave at me when I'm filling up my Nav and you're cruisin by:>) I'll wave back if I see you stalled on the road!
#532 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [heyjewel]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:11 am)
Really? Can u find a post about a Lincoln bursting into flames?
Not that its really relative to the discussion but my Lincoln caught fire early this summer. We had just parked it in the garage after having some work done on the engine. As we were walking away one of my friends started yelling "Its on fire". Seems the fuel line wasn't connected properly and some gas leaked onto the hot engine and started up. Not much damage to it thank god.
#533 of 723 Re: No Hybrid [yesroh]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:18 am)
I still don't think I'd buy a hybrid. The cost is just too high for the amount of gas you might save if you get the EPA mileage they are rated at.
I agree that the initial additional cost of the hybrid is a negative towards buying one. The factors are what is the alternative to the hybrid and the price differences between the two, the price of gas, do you pay cash or take out a loan, if you take out a loan what is the interest rate and the term of the loan and how many miles you drive.
The more you drive and the less the "premium" is on the hybrid the faster you will recoup the money. In some cases it might be in a little over a year. But if you look at someone paying a $7,500 premium for a hybrid they might never break even on it.
In short for some its worth it for others its not. To be honest I think its not worth it for most people.
#535 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [heyjewel]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:20 am)
Statistically the falcon (bird) may be coming to your rescue as you coast in the right lane with your car on fire. I'd still help even though you seem so determined to trash hybrids (namely Toyota). Your continued posting here intrigues me. Perhaps you really want a hybrid but are frightened of the committment. I know that my Prius won't be stalling as the software issue has been addressed. In the meantime.... I'll be flying by gas stations while your standing there pumping your guzzler. Can't wait to get mines!!!!! (sic)
#536 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [falconone]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:25 am)
Geeze what is with you and transmissions? first off I know few people who have had any real transmission problems in the last 20 years. And the ones I know of had over 150k on their cars. I personally have put more than 170k on two cars and have 130k on one now and never did I have a transmission issue. Heck one of those cars I sold to a friend who put another 100k on it before the transmission gave out at nearly 285k miles and then only when he threw it into park going 45 MPH. Man give it a rest will you.
#537 of 723 Re: No Hybrid [snakeweasel]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:31 am)
The Premium for a prius is no where near $7500.....A fully loaded Midsized Prius, with Nav. a quality sound system with 7 speakers and through the dash 6 disk changer ...power windows and mirrors...Smart Key, Stability Control, ABS, 6 airbags, HID headlights, and a lot more cost me $28,000...Now if you truly believe that there is a $7500 Permium for that car...
TELL ME OF ANOTHER CAR (NON-HYBRID) WITH ALL THAT EQUIPMENT THAT I CAN BUY FOR $20,500.
#538 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [snakeweasel]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:33 am)
Who mentioned transmissions? Maybe a week ago. I can post as much as I want to inform people that SOME of the information posted here is false. Are you saying that I am paying a $7.5k premium for my Prius? Can you list a vehicle that gets 50mpg and has ALL the content of the Prius? I didn't think so. Your continued posts here are indicative of your desire for a hybrid as well. Why else would you be here? Looking forward to getting my Prius!!
#539 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [heyjewel]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:34 am)
Real classy last sentance.
#540 of 723 Re: Downsides to Hybrid ownership? [michael_mattox]
Oct 25, 2005 (9:54 am)
Desperate measures for desperate folks! At least we've made some headway. We now know for sure that the Prius is a midsize and Pre2004 Lincolns are explosive.