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#410 of 723 Sure, but a Corolla is not a hybrid, and NOT as clean by far
Oct 21, 2005 (6:53 am)
quote beantown-"And a new Corolla gets similar gas mileage and runs essentially just as clean as a used first generation Prius.-end quote"
Not correct sir.
From Tailpipe Tally:
2004 TOYOTA COROLLA
(33.8 mpg, BIN 9)
12,500 miles/year 370 gal $714
7172 lb carbon dioxide
307.3 lb carbon monoxide
15.4 lb nitrogen oxide
7.0 lb hydrocarbons
2002 TOYOTA PRIUS
(48.6 mpg, SULEV)
12,500 miles/year 257 gal $496
4990 lb carbon dioxide
79.9 lb carbon monoxide
0.8 lb nitrogen oxide
0.8 lb hydrocarbons
The Corolla is vastly dirtier than the Gen 1 Prius, and gets almost 15 MPG less.
#411 of 723 Re: Sure, but a Corolla is not a hybrid, and NOT as clean by far [larsb]
Oct 21, 2005 (6:55 am)
YOU ARE the man!!! Great information!!!
#412 of 723 Re: Sure, but a Corolla is not a hybrid, and NOT as clean by far [larsb]
Oct 21, 2005 (1:11 pm)
Good luck getting 50 mpg in a used Gen 1 Prius. Not gonna happen unless you wussy foot it to the extreme (in which case, if you drive comparably in a Corolla, you can average almost 40 mpg).
As far as emissions go, try taking a measurement on one of those used Gen 1s given the mileage numbers above and see if those numbers hold true after 5 years of use. I highly doubt it.
#413 of 723 Nothing wrong with "wussy footing to the extreme"
Oct 21, 2005 (1:28 pm)
I know of several Gen 1 Prius owners getting 50+ MPG, and many more getting more than 46 MPG lifetime.
Enlighten me on the "Hybrids get dirtier are the years go by" situation....Why would you think that?
#414 of 723 Re: Nothing wrong with "wussy footing to the extreme" [larsb]
Oct 21, 2005 (1:46 pm)
For every person with a high MPG report there is at least one person struggling to get low 40s consistently....not to mention the mileage of those in the north, who take a huge hit during the winters (or those in the extreme south whose A/C kills their numbers half the year), and those who generally only drive less than 10 miles for most trips. Sure, these extremes hurt all gas cars too, but the impact is not nearly as severe ratio-wise.
Don't all cars emit more over time? You think it's just a coincidence that older cars fail emissions tests more than new cars? Nothing can keep 100% efficiency forever. That's just common sense.
#415 of 723 Re: Nothing wrong with "wussy footing to the extreme" [beantown]
Oct 21, 2005 (1:56 pm)
I've driven the Prius during the winter on an extended weekend test drive. I got around 45 or so in mixed driving. It was very pleased since it was 25 degrees that weekend. I'm getting quite anxious about my January delivery. WOO HOOO!
#416 of 723 That was much more of a problem in older engines...
Oct 21, 2005 (1:59 pm)
The "cars get dirtier over time" thing is true, but with modern engines, it has been reduced quite a bit. It's not nearly the problem it was 10 or 20 years ago.
If you are starting at a very clean emission baseline and comparing it to another car which is considerable dirtier, as in our previous Corolla versus Gen 1 Prius example, then you are doing no worse over time by driving the hybrid when you compare it to the car which starts out dirtier to begin with.
In other words, if Car A is rated 9 on EPA, and Car B is rated 6 on EPA the year they both come out, then there is logical reason to believe that throughout the life of the cars, Car A is always going to remain 3 ticks cleaner than Car B, regardless.
Oct 21, 2005 (2:05 pm)
"In other words, if Car A is rated 9 on EPA, and Car B is rated 6 on EPA the year they both come out, then there is logical reason to believe that throughout the life of the cars, Car A is always going to remain 3 ticks cleaner than Car B, regardless. "
but my comparison was between purchasing a '01 Prius and '06 Corolla (the original scenario). How many ticks has the Prius "lost" before the Corolla even got started? I think the difference gets narrowed enough that the environment would hardly notice.
#418 of 723 I'll get the numbers for the 2006 Corolla and we can guess
Oct 21, 2005 (2:09 pm)
All we can really do is estimate, but even if the diff is small after 5 years, every little bit helps. Extra pollution is extra pollution, whether it's 5 tons or 10 tons.
One of my goals is to help all I can.....
Back soon with the 2006 EPA figures for the 2006 Corolla....
#419 of 723 Re: Nothing wrong with "wussy footing to the extreme" [beantown]
Oct 21, 2005 (2:10 pm)
Actually the people saying they get 50 plus MPG are Hybrid OWNERS...
The one's saying otherwise don't own a New Generation Hybrid....