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#223 of 723 HH problems [lovelonghorns]
Sep 28, 2005 (3:53 pm)
NO update yet on this problem
On Friday morning (9/23/05) we were in the car -- only two short blocks from home when the Message area in the center of the dash came on with different messages... Check Hybrid System... Check AWD... Check FSW (or something along those lines)... then the warning light icons started lighting up... the anti skid icon and others, then check engine... then the motors went DEAD!!! The car shut down and wouldn't start.
Called for a tow as we couldn't get it started. Got down to Toyota and while they were nice enough it seemed like the underlying response was -- "what are you doing wrong?!" as one mechanic put it... "I drove it for 70 miles and never experienced a problem with your car!"...
Well, maybe but that was last Friday and I still haven't heard from the service dept. They are dealing with Toyota headquarters and the problem is out of the handsof the local Toyota dealership.
This is a no brainer -- it's the computer system! They should just give us a new car -- we only had under 2,000 miles on it.
jackdaddy, "2006 Hybrid Toyota Highlander" #1726, 26 Sep 2005 10:33 pm
#224 of 723 Re: Well, if it's "bad logic" you cannot stand, you need to [stevedebi]
Oct 17, 2005 (8:16 pm)
"If "bad logic" gets on your nerves, then surf thyself over to the Hummer forums and ask for one good logical reason why a Soccer Mom needs a Hummer.
If you get anything resembling good logic, let me know..... "
Here's some logic for ya, Mr Green Jeans:
If their Hummer and your Civic trade kinetic energy in a collision, guess whose kids walk away and whose are carried away?
#225 of 723 Re: Well, if it's "bad logic" you cannot stand, you need to [heyjewel]
Oct 18, 2005 (3:12 am)
I would imagine the ones in the Hummer after it flips over trying to avoid the accident. A very clumsy vehicle with poor handling.
#226 of 723 Re: Well, if it's "bad logic" you cannot stand, you need to [falconone]
Oct 18, 2005 (8:16 am)
"I would imagine the ones in the Hummer after it flips over trying to avoid the accident. A very clumsy vehicle with poor handling. "
I doubt you've ever driven one. A good driver knows the limits of his/her vehicle. If I'm in a Hummer 1, 2 or 3, and an accident is imminent, and the choice is a major swerve and possible rollover or hit a Civic or Prius, which probably caused the accident, well, I'm not endangering my passengers to try to avoid hitting a little econobox. What would be the point? An 18-wheeler and I think differently.
#227 of 723 Bigger does not mean safer.........
Oct 18, 2005 (8:54 am)
VERY VERY few accidents are large SUVs exchanging kinetic energy with subcompacts. The statistics show that larger vehicles are not significantly safer than smaller vehicles.
See that page and look at the death rates for vehicles. Size has nothing to do with it.
Smaller hybrids can be as safe as Suburbans, and are definitely safer than Ford F-150s.
And Heyjewel, on your analogy about "not trying to avoid a little econobox" well that's just not possible. Natural human reaction by default is to avoid an accident, so you will not have time to say in your mind, "That's just a Civic I'll just hit it." It doesn't work that way in the Real World.
#228 of 723 Re: Well, if it's "bad logic" you cannot stand, you need to [heyjewel]
Oct 18, 2005 (8:58 am)
It's usually the Hummer that will cause the accident. I avoid them like I avoid garbage trucks. Unwieldy monsters.
#229 of 723 Re: Bigger does not mean safer......... [larsb]
Oct 18, 2005 (9:06 am)
I definitely agree with that! Most of the accidents I see on a daily basis involve drivers driving too closely. With the long stopping distances of certain vehicles, I have no idea why they tailgate.
#230 of 723 Re: Well, if it's "bad logic" you cannot stand, you need to [heyjewel]
Oct 18, 2005 (9:25 am)
Actually this is not entirely accurate.
When the Prius first came out Toyota invited a group of auto journalists to its plant in Japan and to its crash testing facility. In front of this group, as reported by the Toronto Sun, they crashed an '04 Prius into an '04 Prado ( LX470 ) using a 40km/h offset crash method as which is actually more 'stressful' than that used by the IIHS and most other countries. The reporter's reaction as reported in the article was "My first reaction was that the Prius actually came away better than the bigger SUV, but a closer examination of the cabin areas of each vehicle showed both had remained remarkably intact". Nov 9 2003.
Common sense and physics would seem to lead one to believe that the lighter vehicle would be destroyed by the 3 Ton monster. It's not the case however.
That being said if any car is T-boned by a 6000 lb SUV or Truck the occupants are at much more risk - unless they have S&C A/B. Then the car occupants might walk away only bruised.
#231 of 723 Small cars are by magnitudes safer than they were in the 1970s/1980s
Oct 18, 2005 (9:38 am)
Good Points kdhspyder.
That brings to mind the fact that small cars are hugely more safe now than 20 or 30 years ago, thanks in most part to Government mandates.
If anyone chooses to buy one of the smaller hybrids, they can be assured that they are driving pound for pound one of the safest vehicles on the road.
#232 of 723 Re: Small cars are by magnitudes safer than they were in the 1970s/1980s [larsb]
Oct 18, 2005 (10:42 am)
I'd have to agree. I have to find a link to the European crash tests. It was amazing how well the Prius did. Another car that does well is the HAH. Small cars today are surprisingly safe. Another one that comes to mind is the VW New Beetle. It protects the occupants extremely well. Bigger is not always better.