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Toyota Prius, Honda Accord, Lexus RX 400h, Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan, SUV
#1 of 723 THE DOWNSIDE OF BUYING A HYBRID
Nov 21, 2004 (12:03 pm)
As I see it there are some downsides to buying a hybrid car.
1) Price always seems to be a premium or there are tack-ons.
2) THE WAIT (some have been known to wait in excess of 6 months for their car.
3) The limited servicability. Lets hope your near a Dealer to get it to in the event you need roadside assistance.
4) After warranty what to expect on any repairs or replacements. ($$$$$$?????)
5) Resale value (the jury is still out on that one)
Anyone care to add to the list?
Culliganman (loven my Prius for now)
#2 of 723 Re: THE DOWNSIDE OF BUYING A HYBRID [railroadjames]
Nov 21, 2004 (2:20 pm)
my sister picked up her prius about a month ago.
she only waited a month to get it. she didn't mention anything like add on options or costs.
as a matter of fact, she called me friday to tell me the dealer where she got hers, had one on the ground and available for sale(western pa).
i got to drive it about 50 miles of locally.
wonder about the efficiency of the batteries in cold weather. it was cold while she was visiting, and the mileage was a tick under 36mpg. most of the time there were 3-4 people in it. later, we noticed the tire pressure was down 4-5 pounds.
when she got back home mileage was back up in the 40's. so, i guess it is affected by the number of passengers, weather conditions, and maybe gas formulation, just like any other car.
i do wonder how it will handle snow.
having said all that, i thought it was very liveable vehicle and imo, an impressive design.
#3 of 723 Cost is an will be ...........................
Nov 22, 2004 (4:03 am)
the overriding downside, particularly when compared to vehicles of comparable performance and utility. It has been dissapointing to read that the new Escape hybrid does not achieve the long awaited promise of "V6 performance" and with a towing capacity of merely 1000lb, it compromises the 'U' in SUV.
Then there are the "drivability" issues for hybrids based on the Toyota system, particularly for those of us accustomed to the control of a manual transmission. A vehicle with a "mind of its own" that biases control algorithms toward economy and emissions reduction while unable to see and respond to the dangerous dynamic world around it is disconcerting, at best. And what of the longevity implications of an IC engine that is repeatedly required to immediately deliver 100% output starting from a static state?
#4 of 723 Re: Cost is an will be ........................... [daysailer]
Nov 22, 2004 (6:28 am)
Daysailer...do you typically floor it from stoplights repeatedly? I don't. And usually, in driving with the "flow" of urban traffic, the engine doesn't even come on until about 15mph. And the engine, when called upon from a standing start, isn't putting out anywhere near 100%, yet I don't seem to be impedeing the flow of traffic - although I guess I've never had you behind me.
Nov 22, 2004 (7:28 am)
The vagaries and hazards of urban traffic flow may create circumstances where the full capabilities of the vehicle may be called for at any time and at any speed, even at those where some hybrids may be operating in electric-only mode. A transition from electic-only operation to full power does not seem at all unlikely to me, particularly for vehicles of such modest capabilities as the hybrids have thus far offerred. I regularly commute in a vehicle of modest power and I seldom, if ever, complete that trip without some occasion(s) to invoke full throttle.
#6 of 723 Re: [daysailer]
Nov 22, 2004 (8:52 am)
I don't know where you live, but driving in the midwest to and from work every day, and around town on weekends, I MIGHT use full throttle once a week - if that.
#7 of 723 YMMV - and apparently does......................
Nov 22, 2004 (9:31 am)
Perhaps the mid-Atlantic corridor is different. But however often a loaded restart may occur, it is surely more stressful to and engine, particularly if oil pressure and block temperature are not maintained (does Toyota's system address this?). Regardless, (an "unreliable" Toyota is still likely better than most other cars) there remains the delay in response introduced by the restart. By its very nature, a condition that requires full power is intolerant of ANY delay.
Nov 22, 2004 (10:34 am)
Well, where to begin? From what I'm reading it sounds like you're talking about Hybrids without putting your foot to the techno peddle. I've owned GTO's, Corvettes, and Mustangs. These plus a whole lotta supercycles. All of which could turn knuckles blue. My Prius has more than enough zip and I contend that she's fast enough. Simply put. I've had her over 110 MPH for a short period. SOLID!! Again, if you want to judge 1st get in and drive one. I know they're not all the same but they all have their own nuances.
Culliganman (seeing's believing)
#9 of 723 Agreed James
Nov 22, 2004 (11:34 am)
I can't see any reason that the current hybrids can't keep up with traffic flow. The Prius can accelerate to 60 MPH in about ten seconds. It has better mid-range 30-70 than a Toyota Camry. There have been THOUSANDS sold in the states and I haven't heard of any accidents caused by hybrids slowing down traffic. I did hear of one accident caused by a Miata that impeded traffic flow from a Corvette.
#10 of 723 A sensation of performance .............................
Nov 22, 2004 (11:40 am)
and actual performance are not one and the same. I recall years ago a cousin telling me that his new Mercedes 240D was surprisingly "powerful" and, admitedly, upon driving it SEEMED quicker than I expected. Yet by any real measure, the 240D was a slug. A vehicle with generous low end torque, whether diesel or electric, may FEEL quick while not actually BEING so. I noted that one of the reviews of the Escape Hybrid made a comment to the effect that it did not have the performance of the V6, but "felt" like the V6. The dynamic environment in which I must operate a vehicle cares not a whit how I feel, why should I delude myself?