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#25265 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [stickguy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 10, 2013 (3:53 pm)
You got time? You got money? You got skill? Great! You can put any engine into any car.
Rule of Thumb: If you're buying a car with an engine malady, and you can't verify that malady prior to sale, then ASSUME THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME when making your offer.
#25266 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [stickguy]
Mar 10, 2013 (4:00 pm)
No doubt a small V8 would fit - I have seen 5.0 Ford engines in W123s, supposedly not too tough. I was thinking something that could even be mated to the existing transmission and cooling system without many issues.
#25267 of 26455 Even 'Wheeler Dealer' has problems making money...
Mar 10, 2013 (4:09 pm)
Just saw the episode on the Renault Alpine A310. Put 13,500 in, got 13,500 out (excluding labor). But it was great seeing them come up with a custom spanner to remove the wheel bearings.
#25268 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [fintail]
Mar 10, 2013 (5:54 pm)
The problem with a V-8 transplant would be that the engine sound (or lack of it) would give the car away. Even a modern diesel would be too quiet. About the most powerful engine that I think could provide the right sonic ambience would be a turbocharged 3 liter from a 300SD or a '82+ 300D. Any other candidates? Of course, you could just put a speaker in the engine bay and feed it the sound of the 190D at idle. Once you are moving, the jig is up anyway.
#25269 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [bhill2]
Mar 10, 2013 (6:33 pm)
An 80s era diesel can be made to be pretty loud, that might be a good bet. But, that won't win any races even as a turbo, it would just be easier to drive. If one is looking to be a freakshow sleeper drag racer, there's no real way to get that old sound.
#25270 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [fintail]
Mar 10, 2013 (6:53 pm)
another interesting swap, and much easier to fit, is a 2.3l 4, or one of the kompressor engines. If the I6 fit, that should have plenty of room!
#25271 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [fintail]
Mar 10, 2013 (6:56 pm)
Fact is, I could live with the performance of a 300 turbodiesel engine if it would fit. I like fintails and the 300 engine would make it useable on the freeway. I wonder if you could mate it up with the original 4-speed, and if it could take the greater output of the transplanted engine. I would want to swap out the rear end, I think. Didn't the 190D have a final drive ratio in the mid to high 4's?
#25272 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [stickguy]
Mar 10, 2013 (6:56 pm)
A kompressor or the I6 out of a 300E would be decent - I know the latter puts out about 180hp, which would be fine in a ~3000lb car.
#25273 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [bhill2]
Mar 10, 2013 (6:59 pm)
Anything to get 0-60 down around 15 secs or less is needed, and maybe make the car capable of freeway speeds. I suspect the transmissions were overbuilt enough to take a somewhat more powerful engine. A complete W123 turbodiesel powertrain swap might not be a huge job. The ratio in a diesel fintail must be high, contributing to its minimal high speed capability. My I6 fintail also has what must be a high ratio (don't know it off my head), it really buzzes along over 70 or so, but the engine doesn't mind.
#25274 of 26455 Re: Similiar to Fintail's Fintail [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 11, 2013 (9:35 am)
That's pretty much what I did with my truck. It had sat for 23 years but only had 29,000 miles on the clock. Well, what chance was there that I was going to have to put a lot of money into it to get it running? I thought the chance was fairly high, so I paid $500 for it (back in 1997).
Turns out, I won that bet. I only put about $250 into it along with about two hours of work, and it was running like a top. Another $600 for new tires and I was good to go.