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#25065 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [stickguy] by stkntraffic

Feb 07, 2013 (3:44 pm)

Replying to: stickguy (Feb 06, 2013 9:26 pm)
When I was in high school (mid-80's), I worked for a pharmacist who owned one of these, except in maroon. He left it out in the Florida sun for years and generally neglected it. At some point while I was working for him he had it fixed up- new paint, new vinyl roof, lots of little things fixed.
 
When all was said and done it looked brand new. I only got to drive it once on an errand for the pharmacist. To a 16/17 year-old kid I felt like Knight Rider in that thing. As soon as I got a ways away from the pharmacy I decided to find out if the Lincoln could spin its tires. It could.

#25066 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [andre1969] by ab348

Feb 08, 2013 (6:36 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 07, 2013 12:31 pm)
The wagons and C-body Electras used a 5x5" bolt pattern for their wheels, while the Lesabre used a 5x4.75" bolt pattern. That's why you didn't see those wheels on LeSabres.

#25067 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [ab348] by andre1969

Feb 08, 2013 (7:05 am)

Replying to: ab348 (Feb 08, 2013 6:36 am)
The wagons and C-body Electras used a 5x5" bolt pattern for their wheels, while the Lesabre used a 5x4.75" bolt pattern. That's why you didn't see those wheels on LeSabres.
 
Good thing I didn't pick up a set, then! I would've been a bit miffed! Were the downsized B-body Impala/Caprice, Catalina/Bonneville, Parisienne, and Delta 88 the same way...4.75x5 on the sedans and coupes, 5x5 on the wagons?
 
I remember back in 1993, one of my co-workers had an early 80's LeSabre, and she wanted me to drive it around because there was something wrong with it. I forget what, exactly, but she thought I could diagnose it. Well, I had to drive to another building on the center, so I took her car. And damn, if it didn't blow a tire when I got over there! She either didn't have a spare, or it was flat, can't remember now, so I let her borrow the spare out of my '82 Cutlass Supreme.
 
So, because of that, I knew the B-body and the G-body used the same bolt pattern. It didn't dawn on me that the wagons and the C-body would be different.
 
I always wondered why they made the bolt patterns so close? 4.75 and 5" is close enough for government work, IMO. I wonder, if there's even any advantage to different bolt patterns? Chrysler used to do 4x5 on their compacts and 4.5x5 on their midsized and big cars, although once Darts and Valiants started going to disc brakes, I think they were 4.5x5 as well. I think some bigger Mopars...some Imperials and wagons, perhaps, used a 5x5 pattern?

#25068 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [andre1969] by ab348

Feb 08, 2013 (10:53 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 08, 2013 7:05 am)
GM's full-size cars all used to have a 5x5 pattern - I don't know when they started with that, but it was in the 1960s at least, probably even earlier. The A-body intermediates used a 5x4.75 pattern. When GM downsized the big cars in '77, they moved most of them to the 5x4.75 pattern, which made sense given that a lot of the chassis components were 1973-77 A-body based. But C-bodies kept the 5x5, as did wagons, as did (or so I am told, anyway) some B-bodies with the Olds 403 engine and maybe a few others too. It is all very confusing.
 
You have it exactly right about the Mopar patterns. Not sure what all the manufacturers were thinking with all these different patterns.

#25069 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [ab348] by tjc78

Feb 08, 2013 (10:58 am)

Replying to: ab348 (Feb 08, 2013 10:53 am)
It is all very confusing.
 
So, in other words, typical GM from the 60s-80s.

#25070 of 25623 Craigslist 190E by boomchek

Feb 08, 2013 (11:01 am)

Saw this exact car for sale last January for about $1200. I was going to pick it up for the rims alone as I figured they're quite rare. It needed some work, presumably tuneup and such.
 
Now the guy is asking $5k. It's cool because it has the period aftermarket add ons but I can't see $5k in it.
 
Mercedes 190E

#25071 of 25623 Re: somebody wanted a real Lincoln? [ab348] by andre1969

Feb 08, 2013 (11:59 am)

Replying to: ab348 (Feb 08, 2013 10:53 am)
Didn't some full-sized Chevies, even before the downsizing, use the 4.75x5 bolt pattern as well? I doubt the monstrous '71-76 models did, but maybe 1970 and earlier, non wagon models?

#25072 of 25623 Re: Craigslist 190E [boomchek] by fintail

Feb 08, 2013 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: boomchek (Feb 08, 2013 11:01 am)
Oh, a 4cyl auto, fast car...compared to a 240D. Cool wheels. ACT has no actual AMG connection as far as I know, though, and no such thing as AMG headlights. Seller is kind of dopey.
 
Not worth 5K, his cheapo paint job (hidden by low res pics) and a few other bits don't add up to that. Also looks a lot more like Tex than leather, to me.
 
I'd rather spend twice as much and get a nice 2.3-16, if I really wanted a W201.

#25073 of 25623 Re: Craigslist 190E [fintail] by boomchek

Feb 08, 2013 (12:25 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Feb 08, 2013 12:08 pm)
Yeah I haven't seen many decent W201's lately. Most are beat up and rough looking.
 
Ideally an early 90s or last year production W201 would be ideal....for $1000.... in perfect condition
 
Edit: I never heard of ACT wheels but looks like they did a lot of BBS type rims in the 80s.

#25074 of 25623 Re: Craigslist 190E [boomchek] by fintail

Feb 08, 2013 (12:29 pm)

Replying to: boomchek (Feb 08, 2013 12:25 pm)
201s and 124s are starting to age off now.
 
Final year 190E 2.6 Sportline would be the best of those, and they exist with a 5-speed too.

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