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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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#19200 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [explorerx4] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Nov 04, 2009 (5:09 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 04, 2009 4:23 pm) 59 SquareBird --- scary looking thing. I'd think about $6500 would be enough, if you even wanted it. Interior dinged up, engine bay makes me cringe, who knows what lies underneath it all? You can buy these pretty clean for $12K--$15K or so. You ain't gettin' THERE from HERE. 68 volvo P1800 --- not too far off if the car is show quality. Try $10,000 to $11,000. '69 Goat -- it would have to be pretty impressive for that money.
#19201 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [explorerx4] by xwesx Nov 04, 2009 (5:10 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 04, 2009 4:23 pm) On that Saab, that's quite an asking price given the fact that the buyer could not possibly verify that, with the head gasket replaced, it would run. It would be easy enough to get the thing put back together, but if there are other problems at that point, you have a very expensive paper weight. Replies to this message: oregonboy (Nov 04, 2009 6:00 pm) texases (Nov 04, 2009 7:38 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Nov 04, 2009 9:14 pm)
#19202 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [xwesx] by oregonboy Nov 04, 2009 (6:00 pm)
Replying to: xwesx (Nov 04, 2009 5:10 pm) In order to be work buying for more than "parts", an inoperable car has to be sufficiently desirable to be worth rebuilding. That Saab clearly is not. Replies to this message: texases (Nov 04, 2009 7:38 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Nov 04, 2009 9:14 pm)
#19203 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [oregonboy] by texases Nov 04, 2009 (7:38 pm)
Replying to: oregonboy (Nov 04, 2009 6:00 pm) But...but...he NEEDS $1,500! C'mon, have a heart! "Mechanic arrested for DUI" - translation: "This job drove him to drink!" Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 04, 2009 9:14 pm)
#19204 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Nov 04, 2009 (9:14 pm)
Replying to: texases (Nov 04, 2009 7:38 pm) it's a parts car.
#19205 of 19441 Re: Volvang? Mustvo? [explorerx4] by andre1969 Nov 05, 2009 (7:05 am)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 04, 2009 5:08 pm) My Intrepid's first emissions test was the dyno/treadmill thing, as Maryland hadn't been equipped with the OBD-II test equipment yet. My grandmother's '85 LeSabre and my '85 Silverado both had to go on that same test. I compared the results to the Intrepid, and noticed that, while the 2000 standards were stricter than 1985's, both the LeSabre and Silverado would have still passed the 2000 standards with flying colors! So if a standard 5-liter carbureted V-8 with 100,000+ miles on it can easily pass an emissions test, I'm guessing there's plenty of wiggle room for much bigger, higher performance engines...provided they're tuned up correctly. Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 8:11 am) andre1969 (Nov 05, 2009 9:43 am) Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 10:09 am) and 2 more...
#19206 of 19441 Re: Volvang? Mustvo? [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Nov 05, 2009 (8:11 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 05, 2009 7:05 am) It doesn't matter what comes out the tailpipe in many states unfortunately, but what the engine is, and what's on it in terms of emissions equipment. Here's how it works in California at any rate: "The basic intent of the California engine change laws is that when you do an engine swap, the new engine/transmission cannot pollute more than the original engine/transmission. This means the newly installed engine must be the same year (or newer) as the vehicle, and all emissions controls on the newly installed engine must be installed and functional. Also, you can't put a heavy-duty truck engine (over 6000 lb GVW) into an S-10 Truck because heavy-duty truck engines have less stringent emissions limits than light duty trucks. To get your engine swap approved, you must go to a Referee Station." source: http://www.jagsthatrun.com Replies to this message: andre1969 (Nov 05, 2009 9:43 am) Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 10:09 am) xwesx (Nov 05, 2009 10:36 am) and 1 more...
#19207 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [Mr_Shiftright] by jrosasmc Nov 05, 2009 (8:50 am)
Shifty - quite right. Now I know why a lot of late-model Saabs meet a premature death and go to the big parking lot in the sky. Also, I just had to share this note - a friend of mine recently traded in her '98 900 SE Turbo 5-speed sedan (it was giving her a lot of trouble) for a new Acura. And - she only received $800 for a trade-in! This was for a rust-free New England car with 120k miles on it! Man, she was so angry that she swore off Saabs forever. Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 8:56 am)
#19208 of 19441 Re: some ct craigs... [jrosasmc] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Nov 05, 2009 (8:56 am)
Replying to: jrosasmc (Nov 05, 2009 8:50 am) Whether cars are "classics" or "modern" they are still valued under the rule of supply and demand I think---and by "demand" I don't mean just people "wanting" one, but also wanting to PAY for one. Lots of people might say "hey, I'd love to have an old Saab/Volvo for second car". Yes....? But when they show up, the prices offered make this "desire" very suspect indeed. It's more like hedging a bet. Most people won't gamble more than they can afford to lose. For a Saab with a bad head gasket, I wouldn't gamble more than the $$$ I could get for it in a junkyard.
#19209 of 19441 Re: Volvang? Mustvo? [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969 Nov 05, 2009 (9:43 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 8:11 am) So in California, when you take your car to the emissions station, do they actually open the hood and look in there to see what kind of engine it is? And even if they did that, how would they know what year or displacement the engine is? For example, Lemko's 1989 Brougham has an Olds 307-4bbl. He could yank that sucker out and throw in an 403-4bbl, and it would look like the same engine. Same external dimensions and such. It's not like they stamp the date of manufacture in some blatantly obvious place on the engine. And, while a 403 would pollute more than a 307, it might still be clean enough to pass the test. Well, actually I could see California's standards for 1989 being strict enough that a '77-79 engine with 1/3 more displacement wouldn't cut it, but in Maryland it would probably pass. How far back do they do emissions testing in CA? In Maryland, they go back through 1977, so my '76 LeMans just missed it. However, you can get historic tags on anything that's 1989 and older (1990 as of January 1, 2010), and with historic tags you're exempt from emissions testing. Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 05, 2009 10:09 am) xwesx (Nov 05, 2009 10:36 am) andre1969 (Nov 05, 2009 11:00 am)