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Re: I dunno.... [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 28, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 28, 2009 8:33 am)

Porsche I believe used balance-shaft technology from Mitsubishi, but I'm not sure exactly when that was incorporated.
 
I think all large displacement 4s are still a bit rough, relatively speaking.
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Re: I dunno.... [lemko] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Oct 28, 2009 8:53 am)

I've been pulling those engine weights from this site... http://www.ftr.btinternet.co.uk/Main/engine.htm
 
The Caddy 472/500 weighed 625 lb, according to that site. However, take some of those weights with a grain of salt. Not all of the weights are for a complete engine. Some are, some are just the bare block, and others are for everything in between.
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 28, 2009 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 9:04 am)

GEEZ--that engine weights more than an HP2 BMW 1170cc motorcycle with the rider attached!
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by texases
Oct 28, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 8:57 am)

We had an I4 in our '84 Jeep Cherokee (the small one) with a manual tranny. Wasn't that the Iron Duke? It was OK, not a lot of pep, but we got 12 years out of it with only carb problems. We got that instead of the 2.8l GM v6 that was also available because the 2.8 was particularly gutless.
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Re: I dunno.... [texases] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: texases (Oct 28, 2009 9:06 am)

I think AMC only used the Iron Duke through 1983, and then replaced it with their own 2.5 4-cyl, a 150 CID unit that was derived from their 6'es.
 
I have a 1985 Consumer Guide that tested two Jeep Cherokee/Wagoneers. One had a 2.5/manual and the other was the 2.8 V-6/automatic. They didn't list a 0-60 time for the 2.5, but the 2.8 came in around 17.3 seconds, and they commented that it was similar to the 2.5.
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by texases
Oct 28, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 9:14 am)

Andre, you're right, it was the AMC 150, not a 151. And 17.3 seconds to 60 - ouch! But it worked great for 12 years in Alaska. Sold it to a teacher who shipped it off to Bethel, AK...wonder if it's still around!
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by british_rover
Oct 28, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 9:04 am)

The cast iron intake manifold on a 472/500 probably weighed 80is lbs by itself.
 
625 sounds like more of a bare block measurement.
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Re: I dunno.... [british_rover] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 28, 2009 10:09 am)

I have a Pontiac 400-2bbl intake manifold sitting in my garage, and that thing ain't light! I'm kinda curious to hop on the bathroom scale with it and see just how much it does weigh. I also have a couple of 318-4bbl intakes, and while they feel lighter, they're still heavy suckers!
 
How much weight would an aluminum intake manifold save, I wonder? My mechanic put one of those on my '76 LeMans a few months ago. I know it's not enough weight savings to improve mpg or performance, but I'm kinda curious if it's much lighter.
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by hpmctorque
Oct 28, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 8:57 am)

Thanks for the reminder. Yes, I recall that the Astre featured the Iron Duke instead of the Vega 2300 engine. GM must have already been planning widespread use for the Iron Duke (for the X-cars, etc), because they couldn't justify a new engine for just the Astre.
 
So, andre, was the Iron an all-new engine? I would find that hard to believe because it was so crude. I had one in my '86 Grand Am, and my mother had an '87 Cutlass Ciera with that engine, and they were really agricultural. The timing gear (yes gear) in my mother's broke at ~80,000 miles. Mine went 188,000, then the head gasket blew, but 188k isn't bad for an '80s engine. Both cars were well maintained and driven normally.
 
The Chevy I-4 that was introduced as the base engine of the Chevy II, and later the Nova, was indeed a different block from the Tempest 4. However, I wasn't sure whether there may have been commonality between that old Chevy 4 (not the newer one introduced in the '82 FWD compacts) and the Tempest 4. Probably not.
 
Regarding your comments on engine weights in your earlier message, I think the Tempest 4 had a larger displacement (195 c.i., or 3.2 L...huge for a 4 cylinder!) than the base (170 c.i.). Slant Six used in the Valiant and Lancer. That partially justifies the weight of the Tempest engine.
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Hypothetical scenario... by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (4:24 pm)
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okay, this is going to make me sound like a spoiled diva, but here goes... Anybody have an idea of how hard/expensive it would be to convert my '67 Catalina convertible to power windows?
 
I was thinking about this today, as I tried to replace the passenger side window crank on this car. There's a special tool you theoretically need, but if you know where to stick it, you can use a flathead screwdriver to pop the clip. that holds the crank in place. Well, back during the GM Nationals at Carlisle in June, the knob fell of the original crank. I bought a cheap replacement at Advance Auto, put it on, but it wasn't a good fit. It was loose and wobbly, and the metal was cheap, and it eventually stripped out. Well, at Fall Carlisle, I picked up another one, a reproduction, and when I put it on tonite, it was just as loose...so, only a matter of time, most likely, before it strips, too.
 
I know I can find an OEM handle if I really look around, but, I hate to say it, I've gotten spoiled by power windows! I haven't had to hand-crank a window down on a regular basis since 1998, when I wrecked my '86 Monte and then got fed up with my '79 Newport, and started driving an '89 Gran Fury with power windows. That got replaced by my 2000 Intrepid, which has power windows standard. And since then, I've added two '79 NYer's, a '76 LeMans, and '85 Silverado, again, all power window.
 
The crank windows in the Catalina never really bothered me in the past, when the top was broken and I had to put it up and down by hand. But now that I have the power assist on the top working again, the crank windows just bug me for some reason. Also, not that I plan to sell the car anytime soon, but would adding power windows hurt its value any, since it didn't come from the factory with them?
 
Now, this is all just wishful thinking right now, but it's not the first time I wished that car had power windows! I probably have better things to waste money on, though.

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