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andre...first 2 by explorerx4
Oct 27, 2009 (5:06 pm)
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just in time for halloween
 
seems cheap
 
amc bullitt
 
nice vette
 
ugly but i like it
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Re: andre...first 2 [explorerx4] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 27, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 27, 2009 5:06 pm)

'70 Chrysler---the price is dead on "book" value for a #3 "clean driver".
 
63 Polara -- ugly but probably fun. The price, however, is sadly delusional. It's not worth half that. This is....well...a Polara from 1963. Sale-proof IMO. Try $13995.
 
The '68 AMC 390 Coupe, however, might be an excellent buy at asking price. There may even be some profit in the car if it's really nice.
  
 
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the Scamp.... by ghulet
Oct 27, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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....is just silly. I like the 300 four-door hardtop, and the price seems completely reasonable, if you like hippo-mobiles. I do, so, yes.
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Re: I dunno.... [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
Oct 27, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 27, 2009 11:52 am)

Oh, so Porsche didn't just follow the '61 Pontiac Tempest template and basically slice one bank off of their V8 to create the 944 engine?
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Re: the Scamp.... [ghulet] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (3:07 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Oct 27, 2009 6:29 pm)

That Scamp really doesn't do anything for me, either. I think with me though, it's just that it's not that different from a Dart, and I've been able to look out the window and see a Dart in the driveway (or parking lot, when I had the condo) for 20 years now, so I'm just sort of Darted out. It might be kinda fun with that hopped-up crate 360, but I imagine those 4:10 gears would get tiring (and thirsty) out on the highway.
 
When I was a kid, I didn't like those "fuselage" style Mopars, The styling made them look fat in my eye, but also, I think the styling took sort of a generic look, where the Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler, and Imperial all started looking more and more alike. Plus, as a small kid, I was a big GM fan, so by default, everything else kinda sucked!
 
I'm starting to like them more and more, though. That 300, with its hidden headlights and two-tone paintjob, has a sleek, stylish look to it, and that lower accent crease helps fill the car out, so that it doesn't seem so fat and tipsy. It seems like the Dodges back then also did a pretty good job at toning down the fatness. The lower part seemed a bit more filled-out, rather than tucked in. Plus, the Dodges had open rear wheel wells, as opposed to the skirted look that the others used.
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Re: I dunno.... [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 28, 2009 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 27, 2009 6:51 pm)

No the 944 is not "half a 928 engine" as is so often said, but it certainly is derived from that engine.
 
That 4-cylinder Tempest engine was a trip---nasty vibration levels, as one might expect with any large displacement 4 cylinder engine (I think about 2.5L is all you want to go with a 4 cylinder inline engine). However, it had some torque, as one might expect from a large displacement per cylinder engine.
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Re: I dunno.... [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
Oct 28, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 28, 2009 8:09 am)

Yeah, I drove a Tempest 4 (if I recall correctly, it was a in a slanted position [a slant 4]) and the vibration would be totally unacceptable today.
 
Didn't Porsche have a 3.0 4 cylinder in the 944? Several midsize cars today have 2.5 4s, and Toyota also has a 2.7 4, but I presume they're smooth, although maybe not as silky smooth as the smaller displacement 4s from the same manufacturers. I don't think the Tempest 4 had a balance shaft. I know the early Iron Duke 4s didn't. Do you know whether the Iron Duke was basically an updated Tempest 4 with a new name? Actually, GM named the engine used in its '85 and newer N bodies (Grand Am, Cutlass Calais, Buick Skylark) and FWD intermediates the Tech 4. Don't know how the name Iron Duke originated, but the Iron Duke and Tech 4 were the same engine. Earlier, that OHV 4, in carburated form, was used in the X-cars.
 
Chevy used a different OHV 4 in the Cavalier and Corsica. That Chevy 4 must have been quite exceptional, since it Cadillac used it in the Cimarron.
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Re: I dunno.... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 28, 2009 8:09 am)

The Tempest slant-4 was also a heavy engine, at something like 470 lb. Although maybe that's not so bad, as a Mopar slant six was around 475. I think those little Ford 144/170/200 CID inline 6es were around 375-380 lb.
 
100 pounds doesn't sound like it would make much difference, but I guess when you consider often the difference between a small-block and a big-block V-8 was only 100-150 lb, sometimes less, I guess it does! For instance, the 360 in my '79 New Yorker weighs 550 lb. Yet a 361/383/400 big-block only weighs 620 and even the big 413/440 "only" weighs 670.
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Re: I dunno.... [andre1969] by lemko
Oct 28, 2009 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 8:40 am)

How much much did the big Cadillac 472 and 500 V-8s weigh?
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Re: I dunno.... [hpmctorque] by andre1969
Oct 28, 2009 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 28, 2009 8:33 am)

The Iron Duke first came out in 1977, and I believe that year it was standard in the Astre, as well as the Monza and all of its offshoots. I want to say that the Vega stuck it out that final year with the aluminum engine.
 
The Iron Duke was a new engine, not related to the old slant-4. They probably called it what they did so that you knew you were getting an iron engine, as the Vega's aluminum engine had a bad rap by that time. Although I've heard that in the later years, the Vega's aluminum engine wasn't too bad...but the bad PR had already set in.
 
I used to get the Iron Duke confused with the old Chevy inline-4, as they were both 2.5L engines. However, the Iron Duke was a 151 CID, whereas the old Chevy engine was a 153. That Chevy engine was last used in the 1970 Nova, and I imagine was quite a dog. But if anybody was nostalgic for that kind of performance, Pontiac tried putting the Iron Duke in the Nova-based Phoenix!

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