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Re: that Mark V... [tjc78] by andre1969
Jul 02, 2009 (6:56 am)
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I never really cared for that champagne/gold color they offered on the DJE in '78. But that light powder blue is to die for!
 
I always liked the light jade green they offered on those cars, but I guess that was just the regular models, and not on any of the designer editions?
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Re: that Mark V... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (7:13 am)
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Interestingly, the DJE does not carry much of a premium over other designer editions---a thousand bucks at most. All these designer editions became somewhat inflationary.
 
Does anyone remember a "Williamsburg Edition"?
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Re: that Mark V... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jul 02, 2009 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 02, 2009 7:13 am)

I remember hearing of a Willamsburg Edition, but had to look it up. I found this quote..."Some believed the Town editions had become too gaudy, so the Williamsburg editions were created. These were 4-door models that came in either gray or burgundy and deleted the opera window, the coach lamps, and the wide body side moldings. "
 
However, the pics I've seen of Williamsburg Editions online all have opera windows, so maybe at some point they stopped deleting them?
 
Lincoln seemed to have pretty good success in the 1970's with those designer editions. I really don't remember Cadillac doing anything other than the Eldorado Biarritz, and the Fleetwood Talisman. And the only attempt at a designer edition that Chrysler did, that I can think of, was the 5th Avenue Edition of the 1979-81 New Yorker. I think there was also a 1980-81 LeBaron 5th Ave.
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Re: that Mark V... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 02, 2009 7:29 am)

It depends on how you want to look at it.
 
In one sense, these huge "designer edition" barges were cashing in on genuine popularity for what Americans considered "luxury".
 
At the same time, we see cars like BMW and Honda and Toyota taking a different path in 1980, one that would lead them to great success and American automakers to disaster.
 
I like to think of the big Marks as a 'swan song' of an era never to return. I wouldn't call them paragons of quality, but as social history, they are important I think.
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Re: that Mark V... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jul 02, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 02, 2009 7:13 am)

Would the 460 V-8, versus the standard 400, carry much of a price premium with these late 70's lovebarges? I've ridden in my buddy's '78 Mark V 460 a few times, and driven it once, and it seemed perfectly adequate, and more than enough to be scary in the wrong hands!
 
Would the 400 be enough engine to move one of these cars with any dignity? I guess mentally, I'm trying to compare it to the 150 hp 360 in my '79 New Yorkers, or the 165-170 hp 350 in my '76 LeMans. Both cars with similar gearing and hp, but less torque. But also a lot less mass.
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Re: that Mark V... [andre1969] by tjc78
Jul 02, 2009 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 02, 2009 7:53 am)

Would the 400 be enough engine to move one of these cars with any dignity?
 
I had a '79 Town Coupe with the 400 and it moved along OK (when it ran right). Plenty of torque and effortless on the highway, you could easily peg the speedo. If you have ever driven a late 80s Town Car/GM/CV I would bet it would be about the same. The 460 was so choked down by 78 that IMO it doesn't matter which engine you have in the late 70s cars
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Re: that Mark V... [andre1969] by tjc78
Jul 02, 2009 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 02, 2009 7:29 am)

However, the pics I've seen of Williamsburg Editions online all have opera windows
 
Even in my 79 Continental Brochure the Williamsburg has the opera windows. Dark grey sides, light grey uppers and vinyl roof with red pinstripe and red velour interior..... yep 70s alright!
 
I always liked the light jade green they offered on those cars, but I guess that was just the regular models, and not on any of the designer editions?
 
Here is a Givenchy edition (78) is this the color you are thinking of?
 
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Re: that Mark V... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 02, 2009 7:53 am)

GEEZ, I couldn't imagine driving these cars at speed in anything but a straight line and *very* carefully. The less power the better. Remember this is the era of "am I actually in control of this vehicle"?
 
Anyway, to answer your question, none of the price guides or databases I use offer any premium or mention of extra points for a 460, so I guess this has not shown up as a factor in pricing, based on past sales.
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Re: that Mark V... [tjc78] by fintail
Jul 02, 2009 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 02, 2009 8:52 am)

I like the little front vent/wing windows on those, power operated...very impressive to a little kid.
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the green... by ghulet
Jul 02, 2009 (10:04 am)
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....I seem to remember a lighter, metallic green (let's call it dark seafoam) with matching metallic-y vinyl top and velour interior on those Mark V's.
 
My neighbor's friend (who worked for Ford) had a Mark IV in the most gaudy/lavish color combo; basically a metallic champagne with burgandy vinyl top and two-tone leather interior to match....I thought it was very chic as a ten year-old future gay boy, and it was considerably more fancy than anything my parents owned (various array of smallish cars and pickup trucks with vinyl interiors, no A/C and crank windows). That Mark was traded in on an Escort four-door.

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