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Re: $50 paint job [Mr_Shiftright] by lemko
Jun 23, 2009 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 22, 2009 11:15 am)

I painted the railings on my house three years ago with Rustoleum and it they need to be redone. I wonder what that Corvair would look like in two more years? I wonder how much trouble it will be to remove all that Rustoleum if he decided to get a world-class paint job?
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Re: $50 paint job [lemko] by qbrozen
Jun 23, 2009 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 23, 2009 6:23 am)

well, like he said in his writeup. If you want a worldclass paintjob, you should be taking it down to bare metal anyway.
 
He probably prepped the car much better than you did your railing, though. ;b
 
I'm not saying your wrong, it probably will peel off any day now. Hell, I'm surprised his car lasted a year. I mean, what about clearcoat??
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Re: $50 paint job [qbrozen] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 23, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jun 23, 2009 6:31 am)

Back in the old days, cars used to be painted by hand, up to the early 1920s I believe. It would take about 30 days to finish a car by hand. The first hand held spray gun was introduced in the early 20s, and cut finishing time to about 8 days per car.
 
If you are skilled, patience and have magnificent brushes, you can do a suprisingly good job by hand.
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Re: $50 paint job [Mr_Shiftright] by lokki
Jun 23, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 23, 2009 7:27 am)

If you are skilled, patient, and have magnificent brushes
 
You had me out at strike 1....
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Re: $50 paint job [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Jun 23, 2009 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 23, 2009 7:27 am)

I once knew a guy with a Corvair convertible, it was a period looking pastel light green and I assumed it was original paint. I talked to him about it, and he said he painted it himself with some kind of household enamel. It was pretty even and was holding up OK (car was garaged, so that had to help), but the paint was very flat and I don't think could be made to have any kind of shine.
 
Sometimes I think the fintail has been repainted with marine enamel or something - I just can't get it to shine up to what I want, but I might just be too picky, and used to clearcoat cars. The paint on that car can look kind of dead too, on flat surfaces, but it does look shiny from a small distance. But if it was repainted, the guy who did it was skilled, as I can't find any real proof - and I don't know if that type of paint could match a factory color perfectly. Maybe it is just age.
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Re: $50 paint job [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 23, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 23, 2009 7:49 am)

Sometimes paint just goes "dead".
 
When cars were hand-painted, this was done using many many coats with lots of fine-sanding in between. The finest soft brushes were used (boar's hair I guess?).
 
Cars done in bright colors back then probably needed to be repainted every few years.
 
I have seen craftsmen create an absolutely smooth bright finish--no brushmarks, etc. But this type of painting was done in the day when they paid people perhaps $1 a day, and these guys were artisans with man years experience. (until the fumes killed them no doubt)
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Re: $50 paint job [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jun 23, 2009 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 23, 2009 7:55 am)

I guess it's pretty hard to duplicate orange-peel with a paint brush, though? Might need to use a roller for that!
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Re: $50 paint job [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 23, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 23, 2009 8:13 am)

I've seen wooden boats hand-painted by pros, and they look pretty wonderful.
 
Of course, a gallon of the best marine paint probably costs as much as an entire MAACO paint job!
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Re: $50 paint job [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Jun 23, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 23, 2009 7:55 am)

I have thought of sanding out the fintail, but I am very leery of creating irreparable damage - I don't want to then have to have the whole car painted, with the bodywork it would entail. A decent quality paint job with a little bodywork would approach the value of the car.
 
I took it to an experienced older detailer once, he said he tried several methods but couldn't get it to have a glass-like shine either. He seemed to think the car might be repainted with marine paint , but I can't agree with that - the color is 100% match for the paint code, and there are no signs of a repaint - runs, overspray, layers, etc - the paint on the car appears to be very stable and hard, just a little dead.
 
Maybe it is better this way - if I start making things too perfect, the car would break me. It's at a happy enough compromise right now, a driver, a 10-footer.
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Re: $50 paint job [fintail] by lemmer
Jun 23, 2009 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 23, 2009 9:10 am)

My 944 has an ok respray that is starting to show spiderwebbing everywhere in the harshest sunlight. There is no way I'd pay for a paint job as even an average job without any body work would approach the worth of the car.
 
It is still a great 10 footer from every angle but the passenger side. It looks like it got egged at some point. I think it is just in the clear coat. When the car is wet you can't see the damage, but when it is dry it looks kinda like the egg is still on it. I wonder if the damage could be wetsanded out.

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