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Re: Why Just Buy One? [lemko] by berri
Jan 12, 2009 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 12:23 pm)

I was fortunate enough to see this last year in Branson. What a great place. The collection is not just convertibles and coupes, also sedans, wagons and pickup trucks along with a lot of memorabilia. Don't know if its still open. I think its hard to finance car museums any more.
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. by fintail
Jan 12, 2009 (3:26 pm)
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Not a project, but maybe a good car to drive for the money...wheels are wrong, but it's a very rare (maybe not excellent) color. These cars are a nice amount of bang for the buck.
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Re: . [fintail] by texases
Jan 12, 2009 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 12, 2009 3:26 pm)

That E55 would be fun, what's the mpt (miles per ticket)?
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#16394 of 16403 Re: Craigslist (andre1969) by hpmctorque
Jan 12, 2009 (3:51 pm)
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"Also at some point, I think they went to either an aluminum exhaust manifold, or just a really cheaply cast metal one. It tended to crack, right in the middle. That may have been later than 1976, though."
 
My parents' '68 Dart Slant 6 had a cracked manifold. They took it to several independent shops, because it ran so badly due to the manifold, but no one realized the manifold was cracked. Finally, in frustration, they traded it, and only after they had sold it did they find out what the real problem was. So, the cracked manifold problem occurred some time in the '60s, unless theirs was an isolated case. From what we learned later, though, I suspect that this problem occurred earlier than the mid-'70s.
 
This is another example of a domestic manufacturer causing a lot of avoidable aggravation and expense to save a small amount per car. Apparently, the auto makers didn't realize how such decisions would damage their reputations. It's a variation on the proverbial story of the straw that broke the camel's back, repeated over and over again in the '60s, '70s and '80s, until - SURPRISE! - many people abandoned American cars for Japanese ones.
 
The European cars had their own quality issues, but compensated, to some extent, by being more satisfying to drive.
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Re: #16394 of 16403 Re: Craigslist (andre1969) [hpmctorque] by explorerx4
Jan 12, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 12, 2009 3:51 pm)

my mother had a '74 dart with a slant six until '84, her usual get a new chrysler product every 10 years. the car never had any problems.
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Re: . [fintail] by xwesx
Jan 12, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 12, 2009 3:26 pm)

Oooh, that is a pretty car. Too bad it is an auto (or... maybe not?).
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Re: . [xwesx] by texases
Jan 12, 2009 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Jan 12, 2009 5:31 pm)

Aren't all AMGs automatics? I think for a sedan like this I'd prefer an auto, anyway.
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Re: . [xwesx] by fintail
Jan 12, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Jan 12, 2009 5:31 pm)

They were all autos. All AMGs are auto.
 
Regarding tickets per mile...these older models are pretty stealthy, sleepers...if you debadge it the average person won't know it from an ordinary 6cyl car...so I bet the cops don't give it a lot of attention.
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Re: #16394 of 16403 Re: Craigslist (andre1969) [hpmctorque] by 210delray
Jan 12, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 12, 2009 3:51 pm)

Maybe Mopar did cheap out on some of the components of the Valiant/Dart over the years. But one thing is true in my area (central VA), where we don't have too much salt on the roads in winter compared to more northern states, these are the oldest unrestored cars I see in use. There's an older man that lives near me with a near-pristine '73 Valiant 4-door (the model year is on his vanity plates). Then there's a workhorse Dart, either a '65 or '66 sedan that I often see parked at the local grocery store. It's not all that beautiful, but clearly it still is a driver. There also used to be a red '65 Dart hardtop that I'd see quite often chugging along, but it's been a couple of years or so since I last saw it.
 
When these cars were new, I didn't really pay much attention to them. I was a big fan of GM's large and midsize cars. But I have to say those particular Mopars get my respect now.
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Re: #16394 of 16403 Re: Craigslist (210delray) by hpmctorque
Jan 13, 2009 (12:35 am)
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I agree with you. the Slant 6 engine and Torqueflyte transmission were extremely solid. I just gave an example of a component that caused grief. If the cracked manifold had been identified and replaced earlier, the car would have provided years of additional service.

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